I watched 4 games worth of all-throws/runs from Hall. My take: he has a decent arm, can run it a bit and even juke defenders on the way. Can make all the throws as they say. Played exclusively from the shotgun, so he didn't face collapsing pockets as much as an under-center guy would, but his tendency when in trouble is not to try to run for yardage, but to run vertically behind the line and chuck the ball. This leads to some bad int's. When asked to do a called run he looks good, very good at times.
Another tendency is to throw high, also leading to some bad situations. His deep ball accuracy is a bit inconsistent. He was in what looked like a mostly one-read offense like a lot of college qb's but did occasionally look to a second guy, albeit too slowly imho. He did show ability to check it down to a short man in some situations which is a decent skill to not need to develop at the pro level. Has a bit of the gunslinger in him which is a good thing if it doesn't turn into hero-ball, which it does once in a while but this is fixable imo. Played baseball in college and can throw well on the run or at weird arm angles ala Mahomes, another baseball player. A good skill for the evolving NFL offenses in vogue now.
He was playing last year on a bad shoulder but could still power the ball downfield so curious to see what he looks like in camp this summer. He's a little undersized but not as small as a Murray or Wilson. It's hard to say how he'll develop but clearly being a 5th rounder means most teams aren't viewing him as NFL starter material. I could see him as a decent backup/journeyman type, maybe even a starter somewhere if everything goes really well in his development. But whether he can adjust to the pro game, clean up issues, etc. is a big question, the big question for every prospect even the guys taken top 5.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Here's a 55 yard pass that seemed to not require that much effort. Calm in the pocket, stepped up and tossed a dime. Threw right from the 50 yd line and the WRer caught it 5 yards deep in the end zone.
Anyone notice the CB who got badly beaten on the play =)
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ StickyBun said:
Here's a 55 yard pass that seemed to not require that much effort. Calm in the pocket, stepped up and tossed a dime. Threw right from the 50 yd line and the WRer caught it 5 yards deep in the end zone.
Anyone notice the CB who got badly beaten on the play =)
Yes. He will fit in perfectly).
Quote: @comet52 said:
I watched 4 games worth of all-throws/runs from Hall. My take: he has a decent arm, can run it a bit and even juke defenders on the way. Can make all the throws as they say. Played exclusively from the shotgun, so he didn't face collapsing pockets as much as an under-center guy would, but his tendency when in trouble is not to try to run for yardage, but to run vertically behind the line and chuck the ball. This leads to some bad int's. When asked to do a called run he looks good, very good at times.
Another tendency is to throw high, also leading to some bad situations. His deep ball accuracy is a bit inconsistent. He was in what looked like a mostly one-read offense like a lot of college qb's but did occasionally look to a second guy, albeit too slowly imho. He did show ability to check it down to a short man in some situations which is a decent skill to not need to develop at the pro level. Has a bit of the gunslinger in him which is a good thing if it doesn't turn into hero-ball, which it does once in a while but this is fixable imo. Played baseball in college and can throw well on the run or at weird arm angles ala Mahomes, another baseball player. A good skill for the evolving NFL offenses in vogue now.
He was playing last year on a bad shoulder but could still power the ball downfield so curious to see what he looks like in camp this summer. He's a little undersized but not as small as a Murray or Wilson. It's hard to say how he'll develop but clearly being a 5th rounder means most teams aren't viewing him as NFL starter material. I could see him as a decent backup/journeyman type, maybe even a starter somewhere if everything goes really well in his development. But whether he can adjust to the pro game, clean up issues, etc. is a big question, the big question for every prospect even the guys taken top 5.
One interesting aspect, and you bring it up and its a knock on him is injuries. He's been injured at times, but played through it many times. And that impacted his play. When he's healthy, you can notice the difference on video. He's more of an upper 3rd round/lower 2nd round talent when he's completely healthy. But that's part of the knock on him, of course. Can't help the team on the bench. But sometimes these guys have kind of a fluky college injury history and then never get injured as pros. Hard to know.
Quote: @comet52 said:
I watched 4 games worth of all-throws/runs from Hall. My take: he has a decent arm, can run it a bit and even juke defenders on the way. Can make all the throws as they say. Played exclusively from the shotgun, so he didn't face collapsing pockets as much as an under-center guy would, but his tendency when in trouble is not to try to run for yardage, but to run vertically behind the line and chuck the ball. This leads to some bad int's. When asked to do a called run he looks good, very good at times.
Another tendency is to throw high, also leading to some bad situations. His deep ball accuracy is a bit inconsistent. He was in what looked like a mostly one-read offense like a lot of college qb's but did occasionally look to a second guy, albeit too slowly imho. He did show ability to check it down to a short man in some situations which is a decent skill to not need to develop at the pro level. Has a bit of the gunslinger in him which is a good thing if it doesn't turn into hero-ball, which it does once in a while but this is fixable imo. Played baseball in college and can throw well on the run or at weird arm angles ala Mahomes, another baseball player. A good skill for the evolving NFL offenses in vogue now.
He was playing last year on a bad shoulder but could still power the ball downfield so curious to see what he looks like in camp this summer. He's a little undersized but not as small as a Murray or Wilson. It's hard to say how he'll develop but clearly being a 5th rounder means most teams aren't viewing him as NFL starter material. I could see him as a decent backup/journeyman type, maybe even a starter somewhere if everything goes really well in his development. But whether he can adjust to the pro game, clean up issues, etc. is a big question, the big question for every prospect even the guys taken top 5.
Good stuff. I haven't yet watched him beyond a few highlights, but I like that above the shoulders he's top shelf. Good Wonderlic, scored high on the S2, reported to have impeccable character. I think he's got a chance to be a low-end starter in time. I think he replaces Mullens in '24.
Stout, strong build. Throws a tight spiral. He'll have to learn like any other rookie. I feel encouraged that he could possibly be the #2 QB on this team. I don't have any other predictions with him, but I think the above the shoulders aspect gives him a real shot. Maybe not this year, but next. It might be that Minnesota is not only more comfortable with Mullens this year backing up Kirk, but also they want Hall to marinate this year. If he has a nice offseason and preseason game showing, Vikings might have to keep 3 QBs on the active roster so he doesn't get poached. Cart way ahead of the horse on that, of course.
The key: can he break past and beyond what his upside has been labeled as? Can he be a quick twitch decision maker? Will he stay healthy given playing time? Can he be accurate within the faster paced NFL? How will he respond to being under center and taking snaps much more often?
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@ StickyBun said:
Here's a 55 yard pass that seemed to not require that much effort. Calm in the pocket, stepped up and tossed a dime. Threw right from the 50 yd line and the WRer caught it 5 yards deep in the end zone.
Anyone notice the CB who got badly beaten on the play =)
The safety?
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