Signing these former packers has rarely worked out for us.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
Signing these former packers has rarely worked out for us.
Jennings and Longwell were both good signings. Favre had a hell of good first year, the second not so much, but I think by then he really was retired mentally to start with. I know there have been a few more, but isn't that really about the same with all free agents, crap shoot?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ medaille said:
I don't think it's that he didn't want to be here as much as we weren't going to pay him the money he was expecting.
And the $ he was expecting was not the contract he signed? I'm still trying to put my finger on what caused this relationship to hit bottom and who's @ fault for the divorce?
That's one thing I've been very confused on. Since when do players get to dictate whether they want to be on certain teams or honor the contracts they signed? Not just football, but basketball too. Players simply "unhappy" or "wanting out" of the contracts they signed and teams appeasing their wishes. Talk about a transition of power to the players. Yes, it's always best of the player wants to be on the team that owns their rights, but what happened to teams telling players to "shove it" and if they want to hold out or are unhappy, they will fine them the maximum amount while they sit home and decide they want to play or not. I just don't get this new trend in sports
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ medaille said:
I don't think it's that he didn't want to be here as much as we weren't going to pay him the money he was expecting.
And the $ he was expecting was not the contract he signed? I'm still trying to put my finger on what caused this relationship to hit bottom and who's @ fault for the divorce?
He signed a super cheap deal after not playing at all in '21. Then went on to have a very good year, earning player of the month in October and the Pro Bowl.
My guess is he thought the Vikings should revisit the contract. Clearly they had other ideas. I think his mid-season injury and subsequent decline probably played a part in the Vikings position.
One may smile and smile and be a villain.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ medaille said:
I don't think it's that he didn't want to be here as much as we weren't going to pay him the money he was expecting.
And the $ he was expecting was not the contract he signed? I'm still trying to put my finger on what caused this relationship to hit bottom and who's @ fault for the divorce?
He signed a super cheap deal after not playing at all in '21. Then went on to have a very good year, earning player of the month in October and the Pro Bowl.
My guess is he thought the Vikings should revisit the contract. Clearly they had other ideas. I think his mid-season injury and subsequent decline probably played a part in the Vikings position.
One may smile and smile and be a villain.
Mama always said "dont listen to what people say, watch what they do."
I think this trade was dictated by one major consideration: the need for cap space. That Smith did not want to be here is largely irrelevant. Peterson wanted to be released and his agent created a huge stink, even getting into a shouting match with Brez at the Combines to force the Vikings to release him. The Vikings told the agent that Peterson will play in Minnesota next year or he won't play anywhere. End of story. Early this off-season Lamar Jackson said he wanted to be traded. The Ravens promptly slapped the franchise tag on him.
The Vikings are not a better team without Smith. Their D is worse now than before the trade. I also suspect Kwesi gave his mentor Andrew Berry a sweetheart deal. A little gift for helping KAM get this job.
So what exactly is the plan here? We can try to compete - but this roster is not good enough to go very far. We can try to position ourselves for a QBOTF in the next draft - but this roster is too good to get a really high pick. I like Cousins OK but we have put ourselves in cap hell with him and there is no real exit ramp. We will be living with the Cousins cap problem even after he is gone, and we have no idea when that will be. I really do wonder if Kwesi has any coherent plan for this team.
Quote: @dadevike said:
I think this trade was dictated by one major consideration: the need for cap space. That Smith did not want to be here is largely irrelevant. Peterson wanted to be released and his agent created a huge stink, even getting into a shouting match with Brez at the Combines to force the Vikings to release him. The Vikings told the agent that Peterson will play in Minnesota next year or he won't play anywhere. End of story. Early this off-season Lamar Jackson said he wanted to be traded. The Ravens promptly slapped the franchise tag on him.
The Vikings are not a better team without Smith. Their D is worse now than before the trade. I also suspect Kwesi gave his mentor Andrew Berry a sweetheart deal. A little gift for helping KAM get this job.
So what exactly is the plan here? We can try to compete - but this roster is not good enough to go very far. We can try to position ourselves for a QBOTF in the next draft - but this roster is too good to get a really high pick. I like Cousins OK but we have put ourselves in cap hell with him and there is no real exit ramp. We will be living with the Cousins cap problem even after he is gone, and we have no idea when that will be. I really do wonder if Kwesi has any coherent plan for this team.
Its'a legit question and we're not unique as fans wondering this about a GM.
If its being run like a corporation, there is a short-term plan and a LRP that had to get envisioned and sold into ownership.
I can take a step back, look at some of the moves made (or to be made i.e. Cook) and say they are setting themselves up to be more competitive in 24/25 on the field and with more cap flex to boot.
22/23 were all about taking what they inherited and doing the best with it. Only time will tell if this is right or not.
They got some big talent to sign in JJ, Hock, Darrisaw so it aint gonna be easy - but those are nice problems to have.
Quote: @dadevike said:
So what exactly is the plan here? We can try to compete - but this roster is not good enough to go very far. We can try to position ourselves for a QBOTF in the next draft - but this roster is too good to get a really high pick. I like Cousins OK but we have put ourselves in cap hell with him and there is no real exit ramp. We will be living with the Cousins cap problem even after he is gone, and we have no idea when that will be. I really do wonder if Kwesi has any coherent plan for this team.
It's the question I've been asking since Adolfo-Mensah walked in the door; what is the plan here? It seems to me the plan is just to be competitive and hope we eventually catch lightning in a bottle and land a young, franchise QB somehow, someway. To me that's not a plan, that's wishing, and thats why I was and have been in favor of rebuilding the roster instead of continuing this charade of shuffling cap dollars, taking on contract void years, drafting mid round, and not being competitive in free agency all so we can hopefully compete for the playoffs. We weren't better then Philly, Dallas, San Francisco, or the Giants last season. Most feel the Lions have overtaken us in the division. So have we done enough to overtake those teams by swapping Thielen for Addison, bringing in Flores in hopes of revamping a putrid defense, and hoping the infirmary of a secondary actually holds up this season? Throw in losing Dalvin Cook and I'd say that answer would be a solid...no.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ dadevike said:
I think this trade was dictated by one major consideration: the need for cap space. That Smith did not want to be here is largely irrelevant. Peterson wanted to be released and his agent created a huge stink, even getting into a shouting match with Brez at the Combines to force the Vikings to release him. The Vikings told the agent that Peterson will play in Minnesota next year or he won't play anywhere. End of story. Early this off-season Lamar Jackson said he wanted to be traded. The Ravens promptly slapped the franchise tag on him.
The Vikings are not a better team without Smith. Their D is worse now than before the trade. I also suspect Kwesi gave his mentor Andrew Berry a sweetheart deal. A little gift for helping KAM get this job.
So what exactly is the plan here? We can try to compete - but this roster is not good enough to go very far. We can try to position ourselves for a QBOTF in the next draft - but this roster is too good to get a really high pick. I like Cousins OK but we have put ourselves in cap hell with him and there is no real exit ramp. We will be living with the Cousins cap problem even after he is gone, and we have no idea when that will be. I really do wonder if Kwesi has any coherent plan for this team.
Its'a legit question and we're not unique as fans wondering this about a GM.
If its being run like a corporation, there is a short-term plan and a LRP that had to get envisioned and sold into ownership.
I can take a step back, look at some of the moves made (or to be made i.e. Cook) and say they are setting themselves up to be more competitive in 24/25 on the field and with more cap flex to boot.
22/23 were all about taking what they inherited and doing the best with it. Only time will tell if this is right or not.
They got some big talent to sign in JJ, Hock, Darrisaw so it aint gonna be easy - but those are nice problems to have.
This. Not sure why anyone would expect to recognize a coherent plan one year in, when, like any successful plan, it's going to be built on contingencies.
One thing that is sort of becoming clear to me is that we're avoiding putting money into 2024 and beyond. The Vikings could've easily pulled money from O'Neill's contract, but haven't. They didn't extend Cousins or Hunter (yet). Davenport and Reeder signed one year deals. And the two-year contracts for Murphy and Lowry have zero guaranteed in 2024.
Quote: @medaille said:
I don't think it's that he didn't want to be here as much as we weren't going to pay him the money he was expecting.
I will add, he wasn't worth what he wanted either. When healthy, he was a force, but looking at his recent years, he hasn't been healthy all season for a while.
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