05-05-2023, 07:14 PM
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I get this but it's a little unfair to bring up the careers of certain quarterbacks placed on terrible teams/franchises. Who knows what those QBs would have turned out to be if they joined a stronger roster with a good coaching staff. Which is what we have had here since 2015 (20/21 being the bottom).@JimmyinSD said:
@MaroonBells said:
As opposed to what we've been doing drafting between 10 and 25 for the better part of 50 years....some times a couple spots better, sometimes worse. This half way in half way out rebuild on the run hasn't worked yet either.@JimmyinSD said:And the most likely outcome of a rebuild? Another one.I have no idea what this even means. im not sure how to explain it much easier. when you decide to rebuild the roster, then do it all in, admit you are likely not going to be competitive for a couple years, identify who on your roster will be past their prime and not worth paying high dollar contracts to for the next couple years while you rebuild, and trade them for either draft picks or younger players that will help your roster once you have finished your rebuild. take the cap savings from those veterans that you traded for picks or younger players and use that to lock up the young studs you have and want to retain. you will be picking lower in the draft so you have more options and value and should be able to help you get the players you want as opposed to picking 23, really wanting a QB, but knowing you dont have near the draft capital necessary to move into the top 3 to get your man.
Because it worked so well when the Browns and the Bears and the Jets and the Commies and the Texans and the Lions rebuilt with all their top 10 picks?
Just since 2000, the Browns have had 12 picks in the top 10. The Bears have had 8. The Jets 12. The Commies 8. The Texans 9. The Lions 14. That’s 73 top 10 picks. None of those 73 picks got any of those teams even close to a Lombardi.
These teams have been “rebuilding” for decades. The problem? The QB. It’s always about the QB. Oh but unlike those teams the Vikings are going to blow it all up and instead drafting Wilson or Lance or Baker or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota or Bortles or RGIII or Locker or Gabbert or Bradford or Sanchez or Jamarcus or Young or Leinart or Carr or Harrington, we’re going to hit on our first try.
LOVE the optimism, but the Vikings are far more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next few years with their veteran QB than by jumping into a never-ending series of rebuilds with the aforementioned results.
What’s more, look at who’s winning Super Bowls. KC didn’t rebuild. They were a playoff team with the 27th pick in the draft when they traded up for Mahomes. Rams didn’t. They brought in a vet. Bucs didn’t. They brought in a vet. New England, Denver…all of these teams won with older, veteran QBs. The Eagles are getting close. But they didn't tank and rebuild either. Hurts was a 2nd round pick by a team coming off two straight 9-7 seasons when they drafted him. Half way in half way out.
So who are all these teams tanking, rebuilding and winning Super Bowls?
Bradford looked amazing when he was able to be protected, the 2016 OL became the worst and most injured OL in Vikings history.
Case was good and had a great coach and roster around him, using his legs to take the team to the Super Bowl door step.
We have too many very good players to rebuild, but we could have restart by dealing Cousins this year for picks (2 3rds) and future cap space.
Now we are going to be stuck with him, never bad enough to have a high pick, never good enough to win a championship. A great merry go round for Kirk and the Vikings social media and stories of "are we going to win the division, are we going to make the playoffs". Some of us are tired of that and saw we had a window from 15-19, don't know when we are going to have a window again with this QB and his cap hit.
