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Trade-ups for quarterbacks becoming more common in NFL
By JOSH DUBOW Associated PressApril 20, 2023 — 1:21pm
Tired of spending years in the quarterback wilderness, shuffling in a string of mostly ineffective veterans at the game's most important position, the Carolina Panthers made a bold move that has been all too common in recent years.
The Panthers packaged two first-round picks, two second-round picks and star receiver D.J. Moore to move up from No. 9 in the draft to the top overall selection to give Carolina the pick of the lot at quarterback in next week's draft.
''You go get the guy that you want,'' Panthers general manager Scott Fitterer said before making the move. ''If you have a conviction on a guy, you go get him.''
Whether that guy is betting favorite from FanDuel Sportsbook Bryce Young, or one of the three other QBs projected to go in the first round — C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson or Will Levis — won't be known for certain until next Thursday night.
This marks the first time since 2016 that a team traded the top pick, with the Rams trading up to take Jared Goff that season.
But moving up in the draft for quarterbacks has become a common occurrence of late, with 17 teams moving up in the first round to draft a QB in the past 12 drafts after that happened only four times in the first 34 years of the common draft.
''If you don't have one, you have no shot,'' former Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said of the predicament in the modern NFL. ''Without one of those quarterbacks, it's really hard to be competitive.''
Tannenbaum traded up 12 spots in the 2009 draft to take Mark Sanchez fifth overall in 2009. While Sanchez never developed into a star, the Jets did manage to make the AFC title game his first two seasons as starter.
Moves like that only became more common following the introduction of the rookie wage scale in the 2011 collective bargaining agreement that gave teams with a QB on an entry-level contract the ability to use those savings to build up the rest of the roster.
''There's such a discernible advantage when you can get any sort of production in the first couple of years because of the discount you're getting is so material,'' Tannenbaum said.
That was just the thinking that led to the Panthers' decision.
After a good run behind 2011 No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton that included a trip to the Super Bowl in the 2015 season, the Panthers have had a conveyor belt of starters the past five seasons.
Carolina has used eight starting quarterbacks in that span starting with Newton's final stretch as starter for the Panthers, trading draft picks for veterans such as Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield.
The results have been lacking as Carolina has posted the fifth-worst record and the second-worst passer rating in the NFL during that span, leading to the decision to trade for the top pick, who the Panthers hope can be a building block for the future.
''Go draft, because if you hit it right and you get a young quarterback who's a superstar, you've got five years under contract,'' said coach Frank Reich, who had a similar run of veterans at his previous job in Indianapolis with only moderately more success than Carolina.
''Where if he's a superstar on a first contract, as opposed to a guy making $50 million who's a superstar who's on his third contract, that just allows you to build a stronger team. So you've got to take advantage of those years.''
The history of these moves is mixed, which is fitting considering how much difficulty teams have identifying which college prospects will turn into NFL stars.
For every example such as Kansas City's move to trade up for two-time MVP Patrick Mahomes in 2017 or Buffalo's decision the next year to move up for franchise quarterback Josh Allen, there are misses.
Whether it's the Jets giving away three extra second-round picks to move up and take San Darnold third overall in 2018 or the 49ers giving up three first-round picks to draft Trey Lance third overall in 2021 only to have him start four games his first two seasons, there have been many misses.
That history hangs over the Panthers headed into this year's draft and potentially other teams such as Indianapolis (fourth pick), Las Vegas (seventh pick) or Tennessee (11th pick) that could be considering moving up for a quarterback.
''Look it's the hardest position to find,'' Colts general manager Chris Ballard said. ''I mean, everybody's grabbing the phone and when you find one you know you do whatever it takes to keep that guy and but it's difficult position to evaluate difficult. A difficult position.''
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It's rare the Vikings even attempt to draft their own QB much less make a bold move to move up for one. They have been satisfied with another teams past selection in free agency quite often. While that occasional works out with players like Cunningham and Favre, it is an expensive proposition and counter to the idea of building a team with a QB on a rookie contract.
Spielman seemed reluctant to draft QB's, and rightfully so with the luck he had.
But Kwesi is a wildcard. Nobody knows what he might try.
At least it seems there is a chance at a bold move to draft a QB this year or next. Not ammunition to do it this year. But if they see one they want, they should go get him!
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#3
Yea if Levis falls to 13 I would make that move up!  He won't get past Wash/TB.  
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Quote: @minny65 said:
Yea if Levis falls to 13 I would make that move up!  He won't get past Wash/TB.  
So to illustrate the hilarity of liar's season in the NFL before the Draft, here's what's gone on with Will Levis in the course of 3 weeks: excellent prospect, top 3 QB.....then teams have 'taken him off their boards' because he's a nutbag.....to now he might be go at #2 overall. lol. 
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Quote: @StickyBun said:
@minny65 said:
Yea if Levis falls to 13 I would make that move up!  He won't get past Wash/TB.  
So to illustrate the hilarity of liar's season in the NFL before the Draft, here's what's gone on with Will Levis in the course of 3 weeks: excellent prospect, top 3 QB.....then teams have 'taken him off their boards' because he's a nutbag.....to now he might be go at #2 overall. lol. 
Nuance, the Vikings have taken him off the board until pick 13 Smile
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#6
Levis has issues separate of whatever his personality is. He’s an end of 1st to 2nd rounder to me and it’s due to potential. Teams are desperate though, so I get it if someone throws a Hail Mary for him. He’s huge risk though. Hopefully he can put it together. 
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#7
the success of those trades are few and far between.
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#8
How Tannenbaum continues to have a voice in the circle of NFL experts is hilariously mystifying. He gets the Dirty Sanchez with the Jets, and still manages to get another shot with the Dolphins, where the team never won more than 6 games. Why he still is offered a microphone to share his fantasies on the NFL exemplifies the east coast country club mentality in sports media.
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#9
I don't think the Vikings can afford to trade up in more ways than one. Obviously there are limited assets but also the idea of using picks on a possible huge miss is not worth the risk at this point. The options moving up are so limited, I just don't see it
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