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@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
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@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Does anyone have an updated Top 30 Visit list for the Vikings? The only WR's I've seen confirmed are Addison and Johnston. No way I'm drafting Hyatt at 23 or even with a trade down without having him in for a private workout to address all the issues you bring up. If the receivers continue to slide down in the first, I would much rather take Addison or Flowers at 23. I know Supafreak84 loves him, but I still have him as a day 2 pick for me. The other potential first rounders that have confirmed visits are Emanuel Forbes, Schmitz, Brian Branch, and Keion White.
That list scares me. It doesn't make any sense. Emmanuel Forbes is skinnier than the needle. Schmitz interest had to come before signing Bradbury because there's no way this team takes a center anywhere near where JMS goes. Branch is a safety/corner tweener, but not big enough for safety and not fast enough for corner. He's the most confusing player in this draft IMO. And Keion White is a mystery as well.
I think teams sometimes visit with players they have questions on rather than players they necessarily like. Hoping that's the case here.
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@ supafreak84 said:
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@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Like I said when this evaluation process started that this crop of receivers all had their wart's, and it wasn't as strong as the drafts the last few years. I don't worry about the weight issue as much at the wide receiver position and Hyatt is still only 21 and will grow into his body under an NFL strength and conditioning program. Flowers isn't growing any taller and Hyatt is 3 inches taller with a 40-inch vertical. I heard a lot of the same weight arguments AGAINST Desean Jackson when I was hollering from the rooftops that the kid was a stud and the best receiver in the draft. "He will get broke in half" "Won't hold up" and "Doesn't run the full route tree and is just a deep guy." Hyatt is the same kind of player and didn't face a lot of press because if he got by you, he was gone, and he was routinely given cushion like what Brian Branch and all those other other 5 star Alabama recruits tried to do and he still ran by them. At the end of the day, his specialty is what the Vikings lack and I would take the kid who won the Biletnikoff producing against SEC competition.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Like I said when this evaluation process started that this crop of receivers all had their wart's, and it wasn't as strong as the drafts the last few years. I don't worry about the weight issue as much at the wide receiver position and Hyatt is still only 21 and will grow into his body under an NFL strength and conditioning program. Flowers isn't growing any taller and Hyatt is 3 inches taller with a 40-inch vertical. I heard a lot of the same weight arguments AGAINST Desean Jackson when I was hollering from the rooftops that the kid was a stud and the best receiver in the draft. "He will get broke in half" "Won't hold up" and "Doesn't run the full route tree and is just a deep guy." Hyatt is the same kind of player and didn't face a lot of press because if he got by you, he was gone, and he was routinely given cushion like what Brian Branch and all those other other 5 star Alabama recruits tried to do and he still ran by them. At the end of the day, his specialty is what the Vikings lack and I would take the kid who won the Biletnikoff producing against SEC competition.
I think DeSean Jackson is a good ceiling comp for Hyatt, but he's got about a dozen floor comps. I'd rather wait a round and draft his teammate Tillman. Also really like Michael Wilson from Stanford and AT Perry from Wake Forest in the middle rounds.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Like I said when this evaluation process started that this crop of receivers all had their wart's, and it wasn't as strong as the drafts the last few years. I don't worry about the weight issue as much at the wide receiver position and Hyatt is still only 21 and will grow into his body under an NFL strength and conditioning program. Flowers isn't growing any taller and Hyatt is 3 inches taller with a 40-inch vertical. I heard a lot of the same weight arguments AGAINST Desean Jackson when I was hollering from the rooftops that the kid was a stud and the best receiver in the draft. "He will get broke in half" "Won't hold up" and "Doesn't run the full route tree and is just a deep guy." Hyatt is the same kind of player and didn't face a lot of press because if he got by you, he was gone, and he was routinely given cushion like what Brian Branch and all those other other 5 star Alabama recruits tried to do and he still ran by them. At the end of the day, his specialty is what the Vikings lack and I would take the kid who won the Biletnikoff producing against SEC competition.
I think DeSean Jackson is a good ceiling comp for Hyatt, but he's got about a dozen floor comps. I'd rather wait a round and draft his teammate Tillman. Also really like Michael Wilson from Stanford and AT Perry from Wake Forest in the middle rounds.
You can find comps for any player if you look hard enough, some successful and some not, it has no real bearing on how another individual player will turn out. There's been plenty of 5'9" receivers who have flamed out over the course of league history as well so we could just as easily say any of these guys have about a dozen floor comps. Again, if I'm rolling the dice on a receiver, I'm going to take the guy who they couldn't keep up with in the SEC, won the Biletnikoff, and who's skill set fits what we need most on the Vikings. Like Moss and Desean Jackson, Hyatt might never be a kid that's going to be a volume pass catcher and pull down 8 to 10 passes a game regularly and we don't need that with Jefferson and Hockenson, but what we do need is the deep threat (or fear of) that's going to hit the big one and alter games. That's how he is going to earn his money.
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@ supafreak84 said:
I get a Tavon Austin vibe when I watch him. Ideally I would prefer a bigger body at the position and I also thought slot guy based on stature. He is certainly explosive and has some deep speed, which the Vikings need in abundance. I also watched him against Notre Dame this year and he didnt do anything in a 44-0 drubbing. Another thing that bothered me when looking at his stats, which I check on everyone because I want to know who they produced against, was a 2 catch 35 yard performace against UConn. Like really, UConn? He's probably more of a second round prospect in normal years, but he'll get pushed up due to a lack of quality at the position.
It's really a tough call with the WR's this year. I still heavily favor Hyatt out of the bunch, but the rest is pick your flavor and what fits your offense best.
Thanks for bringing up Austin because that’s exactly why I love Flowers. Because he’s not Austin. Austin came to WV as a running back and became a RB/Slot receiver/gadget player in their offense.
Flowers was an outside receiver at BC. 75% of his routes were from the outside. This is why he compares more to players like AB, Lockett, Steve Smith, Tyreek and Waddle than to the RonDales and WanDales of the world.
He's got to work on his hands, but Flowers is my pick for best WR from this class.
Brandin Cooks is really who I see. Lots of similarities how they play. Not the largest guys, but have the speed to take off the top and the wiry strength to win contested catch situations.
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@ TBro said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Does anyone have an updated Top 30 Visit list for the Vikings? The only WR's I've seen confirmed are Addison and Johnston. No way I'm drafting Hyatt at 23 or even with a trade down without having him in for a private workout to address all the issues you bring up. If the receivers continue to slide down in the first, I would much rather take Addison or Flowers at 23. I know Supafreak84 loves him, but I still have him as a day 2 pick for me. The other potential first rounders that have confirmed visits are Emanuel Forbes, Schmitz, Brian Branch, and Keion White.
That list scares me. It doesn't make any sense. Emmanuel Forbes is skinnier than the needle. Schmitz interest had to come before signing Bradbury because there's no way this team takes a center anywhere near where JMS goes. Branch is a safety/corner tweener, but not big enough for safety and not fast enough for corner. He's the most confusing player in this draft IMO. And Keion White is a mystery as well.
I think teams sometimes visit with players they have questions on rather than players they necessarily like. Hoping that's the case here.
I think it is some of this with a mix of players who maybe are missing measurables. I do differ with you on Branch. He plays faster on film than he tested, rarely do you see him trailing a player. He'll ultimately be a pure nickelback with the ability to eliminate TEs. Historically that isn't a 1st round valuation but in today's NFL its a role that fits on the field as an every down player.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Does anyone have an updated Top 30 Visit list for the Vikings? The only WR's I've seen confirmed are Addison and Johnston. No way I'm drafting Hyatt at 23 or even with a trade down without having him in for a private workout to address all the issues you bring up. If the receivers continue to slide down in the first, I would much rather take Addison or Flowers at 23. I know Supafreak84 loves him, but I still have him as a day 2 pick for me. The other potential first rounders that have confirmed visits are Emanuel Forbes, Schmitz, Brian Branch, and Keion White.
That list scares me. It doesn't make any sense. Emmanuel Forbes is skinnier than the needle. Schmitz interest had to come before signing Bradbury because there's no way this team takes a center anywhere near where JMS goes. Branch is a safety/corner tweener, but not big enough for safety and not fast enough for corner. He's the most confusing player in this draft IMO. And Keion White is a mystery as well.
I think teams sometimes visit with players they have questions on rather than players they necessarily like. Hoping that's the case here.
I think it is some of this with a mix of players who maybe are missing measurables. I do differ with you on Branch. He plays faster on film than he tested, rarely do you see him trailing a player. He'll ultimately be a pure nickelback with the ability to eliminate TEs. Historically that isn't a 1st round valuation but in today's NFL its a role that fits on the field as an every down player.
I need to watch more of Branch because he keeps getting raves by people I respect.
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ TBro said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ TBro said:
Of all the receivers with a first round grade that could be available at 23, I think Flowers has the best chance of being an impact player on this offense. Smith-Njigba will be long gone, and the others continue to fall down the board at rapid speed. His versatility is unquestioned. You can line him up anywhere. If you are convinced he can take the pounding, I would have no problem if they took him at 23. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade down so we can add more picks. Too many holes to fill not to move down if we get a good offer. I'm not sold on Hooker as a QBOTF. Great athlete, but he is a major project.
I'm taking Jalin Hyatt. There is not a better deep threat in this draft and he went for 207 yards with 5 TD's against Alabama this year as well as blowing up the rest of the SEC. I have no idea why he is getting overlooked in comparison to some of these other receivers. I think it's ridiculous. I could make an argument there would not be a better fit or more impactful player at #23.
https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
The speed is ridiculous, but the reason he's being overlooked is because of his bust factor. It's high. He'll need a good receivers coach (Keenan McCardell is one) who can teach him how to be a complete receiver. He's so far away from that right now. Might take a couple years, but he has upside if you're patient I think.
I don't think his bust factor is any higher than any other receiver in this draft and the speed is ridiculous. We need speed at the WR position and to keep defenses honest from doubling JJ. The good thing about Hyatt is he's a true junior coming out so there's certainly upside. He'll come in immediately and be a factor as a deep threat and the kid is a worker. That's why I have him as my top WR in this draft and he would be the absolute perfect complement to Jefferson. Speed checks out, size checks out, production against SEC competition checks out.
We could use his speed, but he scares the hell out of me. Needs to learn how to run a full route tree. That's going to take some time. Faced press in just 17 snaps. Against press he has just 1 single catch. As I said before, they said Moss would crumble in press, but he didn't, so there's no reason Hyatt can't learn some release packages. But as skinny as Moss was, he was 30 lbs heavier than Hyatt. Hyatt's 6-0, 176 lbs. You're worried about Flowers' size, when Hyatt has a bigger size problem IMO.
What's more, I've seen so many of these speed only receivers bust in the NFL. John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Kevin White, Breshad Perriman, Philip Dorsett, AJ Jenkins, Troy Williamson, Mike Wallace, Stephen Hill, Will Fuller, Ruggs...Deja Vu, because we had this same argument about Jameson Williams last year.
Does anyone have an updated Top 30 Visit list for the Vikings? The only WR's I've seen confirmed are Addison and Johnston. No way I'm drafting Hyatt at 23 or even with a trade down without having him in for a private workout to address all the issues you bring up. If the receivers continue to slide down in the first, I would much rather take Addison or Flowers at 23. I know Supafreak84 loves him, but I still have him as a day 2 pick for me. The other potential first rounders that have confirmed visits are Emanuel Forbes, Schmitz, Brian Branch, and Keion White.
That list scares me. It doesn't make any sense. Emmanuel Forbes is skinnier than the needle. Schmitz interest had to come before signing Bradbury because there's no way this team takes a center anywhere near where JMS goes. Branch is a safety/corner tweener, but not big enough for safety and not fast enough for corner. He's the most confusing player in this draft IMO. And Keion White is a mystery as well.
I think teams sometimes visit with players they have questions on rather than players they necessarily like. Hoping that's the case here.
I think it is some of this with a mix of players who maybe are missing measurables. I do differ with you on Branch. He plays faster on film than he tested, rarely do you see him trailing a player. He'll ultimately be a pure nickelback with the ability to eliminate TEs. Historically that isn't a 1st round valuation but in today's NFL its a role that fits on the field as an every down player.
One guy he did trail (along with that entire defense) was Jalin Hyatt, just saying.
I still contend that unless you are drafting Sean Taylor, the safety position is a dime a dozen position and the defensive equivalent of the running back position. You can find scheme specific guys every offseason, which to me, made the Lewis Cine pick all the more maddening. Highly drafted safeties rarely make second contracts with the teams that drafted them because they are expendable and nobody wants to pay them. Branch shouldn't even be a consideration for us as a draft pick.
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