Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
Sutton will get a contract in the $11-$12 million per season range. Edmunds is only 24 years old, pretty crazy.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said: I lied--last note-- it's funny to me most of this board is ready to ship off Dalvin, Thielen, Z'Darius, Kendricks, Smith, even Hunter, but many of these same posters are still on board with paying Kirk on his terms ad infinitum even though he's much older and arguably (relative to his position), about equally as proficient. The Kirk debate has gotten out of control on both sides haha.
You can't compare QBs to other positions. Never mind that QBs are, by far, the most important position on the team, a WR at 32 is much older than a QB at 34. What's more, I would argue that how Cousins ranks among other players at his position (his value over replacement) is much higher than all but maybe one player on the Vikings--Jefferson. Maybe Hunter?
IOW, if we lost Hunter, replacing what he gives us would be a lot easier than replacing what Cousins gives us. There are more than just a handful of teams who have been looking for a QB for 40 years.
The intelligence/experience factor for QBs just can't be compared to other positions. Yes the other players have to be smart, WRs need to understand coverages and option routes. But the QB basically needs to understand everyones job on offense. And have a good idea what the defense is trying to do.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
we will see on how much contracts end up costing, with the cap going up every FA will be want a bigger piece of the pie ( thats why I like to use % of cap as my talking points, so its not just a number its an expression of how much cap space they are using each season ) if a QB is suddenly wanting a bigger % than what was budgeted before, its irrelevant that the cap is going up, because those other positions are going to be wanting their % increase, or like QBs... probably more than their share of the increase.
as far as free agents, I dont think you better stop at 3 if you want to see this team compete in 23 ( justifying not trading KC) or 24 and longer ( to justify extending him ) you are the eternal optimist for this team, I am becoming more and more jaded as the years go by and we see the same ol same ol. One of us will be right, I hope its you.
JJ and Darrisaw are going to get PAID.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
we will see on how much contracts end up costing, with the cap going up every FA will be want a bigger piece of the pie ( thats why I like to use % of cap as my talking points, so its not just a number its an expression of how much cap space they are using each season ) if a QB is suddenly wanting a bigger % than what was budgeted before, its irrelevant that the cap is going up, because those other positions are going to be wanting their % increase, or like QBs... probably more than their share of the increase.
as far as free agents, I dont think you better stop at 3 if you want to see this team compete in 23 ( justifying not trading KC) or 24 and longer ( to justify extending him ) you are the eternal optimist for this team, I am becoming more and more jaded as the years go by and we see the same ol same ol. One of us will be right, I hope its you.
And you seem to always think that super bowl winning teams are dominant, formidable forces. For me, it's not about optimism as much as it is about likelihoods. You don't agree with this, but I think the Vikings are much more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next few years by keeping Cousins, cutting some fat (Thielen, Cook, Harry) and adding a couple of players to help Flores play the kind of defense he wants to. I think this is more likely to result in success than tearing down a 13-win team and hoping we eventually get the QB right. The odds are against it. Remember, in the last 33 drafts only two QBs taken #1 overall have won a Super Bowl for the team who drafted them.
So in that regard, it's the rebuilders who are the hopeless optimists, thinking that high draft picks and cap space is the golden ticket to the promised land. Have you not seen the Browns? The Bears? The Commanders? Texans? etc? These teams have had countless years with bajillions in cap space, picking in the top 10 on a regular basis. It's not the cure-all you think it is.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
we will see on how much contracts end up costing, with the cap going up every FA will be want a bigger piece of the pie ( thats why I like to use % of cap as my talking points, so its not just a number its an expression of how much cap space they are using each season ) if a QB is suddenly wanting a bigger % than what was budgeted before, its irrelevant that the cap is going up, because those other positions are going to be wanting their % increase, or like QBs... probably more than their share of the increase.
as far as free agents, I dont think you better stop at 3 if you want to see this team compete in 23 ( justifying not trading KC) or 24 and longer ( to justify extending him ) you are the eternal optimist for this team, I am becoming more and more jaded as the years go by and we see the same ol same ol. One of us will be right, I hope its you.
And you seem to always think that super bowl winning teams are dominant, formidable forces. For me, it's not about optimism as much as it is about likelihoods. You don't agree with this, but I think the Vikings are much more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next few years by keeping Cousins, cutting some fat (Thielen, Cook, Harry) and adding a couple of players to help Flores play the kind of defense he wants to. I think this is more likely to result in success than tearing down a 13-win team and hoping we eventually get the QB right. The odds are against it. Remember, in the last 33 drafts only two QBs taken #1 overall have won a Super Bowl for the team who drafted them.
So in that regard, it's the rebuilders who are the hopeless optimists, thinking that high draft picks and cap space is the golden ticket to the promised land. Have you not seen the Browns? The Bears? The Commanders? Texans? etc? These teams have had countless years with bajillions in cap space, picking in the top 10 on a regular basis. It's not the cure-all you think it is.
How many average joe teams have lombardis to show for it? If you overpay for any position you have to cut it from somewhere Now how many teams that had top 10 O and Ds won the SB?
EVERY team that makes a run, likely has some point in their near past where they say, this isnt working, take a step back and retool and then move forward again. I just tend to think that when you see a failed pattern of close but not close enough, you take that step back, thats how KC was with Smith, thats how that Patriots were with Bledsoe IIRC, hell wasnt Montana still doing pretty good when they brought in Young? Every team has a time to take that step back, I just happen to think this is our time, if you have the right people in the coaches chair, and the right people in the front office, which most seem to think we do, then the fear of becoming the bears or browns, or other... is just hyperbole.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
we will see on how much contracts end up costing, with the cap going up every FA will be want a bigger piece of the pie ( thats why I like to use % of cap as my talking points, so its not just a number its an expression of how much cap space they are using each season ) if a QB is suddenly wanting a bigger % than what was budgeted before, its irrelevant that the cap is going up, because those other positions are going to be wanting their % increase, or like QBs... probably more than their share of the increase.
as far as free agents, I dont think you better stop at 3 if you want to see this team compete in 23 ( justifying not trading KC) or 24 and longer ( to justify extending him ) you are the eternal optimist for this team, I am becoming more and more jaded as the years go by and we see the same ol same ol. One of us will be right, I hope its you.
And you seem to always think that super bowl winning teams are dominant, formidable forces. For me, it's not about optimism as much as it is about likelihoods. You don't agree with this, but I think the Vikings are much more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next few years by keeping Cousins, cutting some fat (Thielen, Cook, Harry) and adding a couple of players to help Flores play the kind of defense he wants to. I think this is more likely to result in success than tearing down a 13-win team and hoping we eventually get the QB right. The odds are against it. Remember, in the last 33 drafts only two QBs taken #1 overall have won a Super Bowl for the team who drafted them.
So in that regard, it's the rebuilders who are the hopeless optimists, thinking that high draft picks and cap space is the golden ticket to the promised land. Have you not seen the Browns? The Bears? The Commanders? Texans? etc? These teams have had countless years with bajillions in cap space, picking in the top 10 on a regular basis. It's not the cure-all you think it is.
How many average joe teams have lombardis to show for it? If you overpay for any position you have to cut it from somewhere Now how many teams that had top 10 O and Ds won the SB?
EVERY team that makes a run, likely has some point in their near past where they say, this isnt working, take a step back and retool and then move forward again. I just tend to think that when you see a failed pattern of close but not close enough, you take that step back, thats how KC was with Smith, thats how that Patriots were with Bledsoe IIRC, hell wasnt Montana still doing pretty good when they brought in Young? Every team has a time to take that step back, I just happen to think this is our time, if you have the right people in the coaches chair, and the right people in the front office, which most seem to think we do, then the fear of becoming the bears or browns, or other... is just hyperbole.
This average Joe team won 13 games last year with a good offense and the worst defense we've seen in two decades. I have an idea. Rather than dumping the player most responsible for those 13 wins, how about we fix the defense? I know you think we'll need Aaron Donald, Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White to do that, but I think bringing in a DC who blitzes more in one game than the previous guy did all year, and adding a couple players to that side, could go a long ways toward moving it from the bottom to the middle. This CAN be done. And it gives us a better chance at a championship than a tear down.
But you want to add a QB while we still have Cousins? I'm all for it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
How many average joe teams have lombardis to show for it? If you overpay for any position you have to cut it from somewhere Now how many teams that had top 10 O and Ds won the SB?
EVERY team that makes a run, likely has some point in their near past where they say, this isnt working, take a step back and retool and then move forward again. I just tend to think that when you see a failed pattern of close but not close enough, you take that step back, thats how KC was with Smith, thats how that Patriots were with Bledsoe IIRC, hell wasnt Montana still doing pretty good when they brought in Young? Every team has a time to take that step back, I just happen to think this is our time, if you have the right people in the coaches chair, and the right people in the front office, which most seem to think we do, then the fear of becoming the bears or browns, or other... is just hyperbole.
This average Joe team won 13 games last year with a good offense and the worst defense we've seen in two decades. I have an idea. Rather than dumping the player most responsible for those 13 wins, how about we fix the defense? I know you think we'll need Aaron Donald, Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White to do that, but I think bringing in a DC who blitzes more in one game than the previous guy did all year, and adding a couple players to that side, could go a long ways toward moving it from the bottom to the middle. This CAN be done. And it gives us a better chance at a championship than a tear down.
But you want to add a QB while we still have Cousins? I'm all for it.
again you and your reading comprehension....
i didnt say a word about dumping Jefferson or Darrisaw. I would say there were as or more instrumental in last years success as your boy. and replacing a 35 year old QB with 1 career playoff win is hardly tearing anything down. you really cant help yourself can you? you just have to try and twist the shit out of anything anybody you disagree with says, really makes it a joy to interact with you.
and that defense looked just as bad the year before when it was blitzing once in a while, its a lack of quality players on that D that are holding it back IMO and the ones that are/were quality are getting on in years and either were screwed by being surrounded by suck, or are just hitting the wall themselves. cant blame it all on the scheme, scheme doesnt keep CBs from covering or any of them from making tackles or defending passes they are in position to defend. Doesnt keep the pass rushers from getting home on the QB either.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
The whole Cousins contract thing is tiresome...
On the positive side, he's never reset the QB contract market by asking the Vikings to beat the last QB's deal. So those saying ad nauseum he needs to take less don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. He's never pulled a Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, or Murray and wanted a bigger deal than the last guy.
Buuuuuut, his wanting shorter, fully guaranteed deals has made it harder for the Vikings to massage the cap around his contract.
Instead of the endless chatter about pay cuts, taking less, blah blah fucking blah... I'd be fine giving him a top 5 QB contract if it comes with longer term, not fully guaranteed, and let's the Vikings play with his cap hits.
Agree....if you can get it done. I'd like to see a long-term contract that gives us some cap flexibility this year and maybe next. Just have to make sure his cap acceleration doesn't coincide with Justin Jefferson's.
Or any other contacts we may need to work in.
Sure, but in terms of contracts, the only really BIG numbers will come from Cousins and Jefferson. Those are the two accelerated caps that probably can't coexist. The others are just business as usual for an NFL team.
We aren't likely to fix this thing quickly without overpaying for free agents, I doubt we get by with only those two big money deals, amd if they aren't looking to do it quickly then why put that time and money into a 35 year old QB?
I see it boiling down to how the team is viewed, I doubt that we see enough improvement in our D and OL to make this team into a SB contender in 1 or 2 years given how little we got from last years draft, and how little we are likely to get from this years few picks. Otherwise its spend big money for big gains and that isn't in the budget.
There's a difference between big and BIG. For example, my free agent wish list currently includes Dalvin Tomlinson, Tremaine Edmunds and Cameron Sutton. Their projected market value (avg per year) is 8.5M, 11M and 7.6M, respectively. This is the kind of money that can be found in a handful of roster tweaks, restructures, and bonus conversions. That's NFL business as usual.
With Cousins and Jefferson, we're talking about accelerated cap hits that will be three and four times that--in the 30-40M range. That is what can't coexist. But we have a few years before that happens.
we will see on how much contracts end up costing, with the cap going up every FA will be want a bigger piece of the pie ( thats why I like to use % of cap as my talking points, so its not just a number its an expression of how much cap space they are using each season ) if a QB is suddenly wanting a bigger % than what was budgeted before, its irrelevant that the cap is going up, because those other positions are going to be wanting their % increase, or like QBs... probably more than their share of the increase.
as far as free agents, I dont think you better stop at 3 if you want to see this team compete in 23 ( justifying not trading KC) or 24 and longer ( to justify extending him ) you are the eternal optimist for this team, I am becoming more and more jaded as the years go by and we see the same ol same ol. One of us will be right, I hope its you.
And you seem to always think that super bowl winning teams are dominant, formidable forces. For me, it's not about optimism as much as it is about likelihoods. You don't agree with this, but I think the Vikings are much more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next few years by keeping Cousins, cutting some fat (Thielen, Cook, Harry) and adding a couple of players to help Flores play the kind of defense he wants to. I think this is more likely to result in success than tearing down a 13-win team and hoping we eventually get the QB right. The odds are against it. Remember, in the last 33 drafts only two QBs taken #1 overall have won a Super Bowl for the team who drafted them.
So in that regard, it's the rebuilders who are the hopeless optimists, thinking that high draft picks and cap space is the golden ticket to the promised land. Have you not seen the Browns? The Bears? The Commanders? Texans? etc? These teams have had countless years with bajillions in cap space, picking in the top 10 on a regular basis. It's not the cure-all you think it is.
I also think that you should try to go with the likelihood of
winning a SB as your guide. I look at
things and something like 70-80% of Super Bowls are won by elite, HOF QBs and
(guys likely in the HOF for recent not yet eligible guys). These guys names show up multiple times on the
list and often have high winning percentages as well. I think your odds are better at finding one
of those guys if you make an attempt to draft them, than it is to try and get a
perfect team to carry a non-elite guy. I
don’t believe in the theory of burning everything down, to try and tank your
way to a top draft pick.
When you highlight that some teams perennially draft high,
and use that as an argument that high draft picks and cap space are bad, there’s
another potential explanation. Maybe
those teams are just poorly run, and perform shitty, and get high draft picks? Examples exist of teams that have rebuilt and
lived to tell about it. 49ers, Eagles,
Bengals all recently either rebuilt or dabbled at the top of the draft and got
better. I think that’s probably got more
to do with the front office and coaching staff providing a place for draft
picks to flourish, and perennially bad teams struggle to do that. I
would argue that if you have a shitty coaching staff, it probably doesn’t
matter where or who you draft, and if you have a good coaching staff, you should
probably take more shots at finding that guy you can mold into a HOF caliber QB,
because your odds are significantly better. It seems like a lot of teams/QBs have that
gray area where both the QB and the HC are near the top of the league, and I
don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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