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@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@medaille said:

@mgobluevikes said:

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Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter and Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

Jalen Hurts cost $1.6M last year vs Cousins $31.4M.  (You could acquire 3 of the Eagles 4 most expensive players for about the difference in cost).  The Rams took a huge gamble and went all in with Stafford, and now they're practically disassembling it all, so they basically had a 2 year window.  One was magical, one was disastrous.  Maybe we could do miraculous, but I think the going all in method would indicate that we do all in for maybe 2 years and then burning it down rather than extending him for 4 years or whatever.  We do need to get much more cost efficient all over the team.  What's really plagued us is not getting production out of enough draft picks and low cost free agents.

It's the beauty of having a guy on his rookie deal. If you look at their next 4 highest players compared to ours and we owe roughly 10 million more. We're in rough shape. Look at the number we're on the hook for Brian O'Neill. Same as Theilen money. It's insane. Harry is 19 million, Z is 15 million. Cook 14, Hunter 13. Brez must have been wanting to kill Rick and Zim. 

The only cap hits out of whack are the Thielen and Harry hits, and you can be sure the team is going to do something about those. O'Neill's a young guy so that's an easy fix. Team probably never intended to absorb the $19M when it was written. Z and Hunter, both pro bowl players, rank 24th and 28th in terms of their cap hits, much lower in terms of average per year. Bargains. And Cousins now ranks 11th in both cap hit and % of cap. 

It's just a game and every team plays it. Saints are $55M over the cap and just gave Derek Carr $150M. Oh they're kicking the can down the road, they say. So is every team in the NFL. It's how you play the game. Folks need to stop stressing so much about it. 

Yep. The cap keeps going up because the NFL is so unbelievably popular. They have so many products to sell. Kirk's contract isn't holding the team back and those salaries you mention will be mitigated and managed. That's the NFL. The defense sucks out loud so whatever scorched earth they do or don't do, I couldn't care less. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@medaille said:

@mgobluevikes said:

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Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter and Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

Jalen Hurts cost $1.6M last year vs Cousins $31.4M.  (You could acquire 3 of the Eagles 4 most expensive players for about the difference in cost).  The Rams took a huge gamble and went all in with Stafford, and now they're practically disassembling it all, so they basically had a 2 year window.  One was magical, one was disastrous.  Maybe we could do miraculous, but I think the going all in method would indicate that we do all in for maybe 2 years and then burning it down rather than extending him for 4 years or whatever.  We do need to get much more cost efficient all over the team.  What's really plagued us is not getting production out of enough draft picks and low cost free agents.

It's the beauty of having a guy on his rookie deal. If you look at their next 4 highest players compared to ours and we owe roughly 10 million more. We're in rough shape. Look at the number we're on the hook for Brian O'Neill. Same as Theilen money. It's insane. Harry is 19 million, Z is 15 million. Cook 14, Hunter 13. Brez must have been wanting to kill Rick and Zim. 

The only cap hits out of whack are the Thielen and Harry hits, and you can be sure the team is going to do something about those. O'Neill's a young guy so that's an easy fix. Team probably never intended to absorb the $19M when it was written. Z and Hunter, both pro bowl players, rank 24th and 28th in terms of their cap hits, much lower in terms of average per year. Bargains. And Cousins now ranks 11th in both cap hit and % of cap. 

It's just a game and every team plays it. Saints are $55M over the cap and just gave Derek Carr $150M. Oh they're kicking the can down the road, they say. So is every team in the NFL. It's how you play the game. Folks need to stop stressing so much about it. 

I agree as a whole, but don't understand the O'Neill contract, and wh thought it was a good idea to sign Harry to that deal at this point in his career? There's a reason why we have so little room to make the meaningful free agent signings we need on defense instead of the old band aids we've been getting.

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@StickyBun said:

@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@medaille said:

@mgobluevikes said:

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Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter and Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

Jalen Hurts cost $1.6M last year vs Cousins $31.4M.  (You could acquire 3 of the Eagles 4 most expensive players for about the difference in cost).  The Rams took a huge gamble and went all in with Stafford, and now they're practically disassembling it all, so they basically had a 2 year window.  One was magical, one was disastrous.  Maybe we could do miraculous, but I think the going all in method would indicate that we do all in for maybe 2 years and then burning it down rather than extending him for 4 years or whatever.  We do need to get much more cost efficient all over the team.  What's really plagued us is not getting production out of enough draft picks and low cost free agents.

It's the beauty of having a guy on his rookie deal. If you look at their next 4 highest players compared to ours and we owe roughly 10 million more. We're in rough shape. Look at the number we're on the hook for Brian O'Neill. Same as Theilen money. It's insane. Harry is 19 million, Z is 15 million. Cook 14, Hunter 13. Brez must have been wanting to kill Rick and Zim. 

The only cap hits out of whack are the Thielen and Harry hits, and you can be sure the team is going to do something about those. O'Neill's a young guy so that's an easy fix. Team probably never intended to absorb the $19M when it was written. Z and Hunter, both pro bowl players, rank 24th and 28th in terms of their cap hits, much lower in terms of average per year. Bargains. And Cousins now ranks 11th in both cap hit and % of cap. 

It's just a game and every team plays it. Saints are $55M over the cap and just gave Derek Carr $150M. Oh they're kicking the can down the road, they say. So is every team in the NFL. It's how you play the game. Folks need to stop stressing so much about it. 

Yep. The cap keeps going up because the NFL is so unbelievably popular. They have so many products to sell. Kirk's contract isn't holding the team back and those salaries you mention will be mitigated and managed. That's the NFL. The defense sucks out loud so whatever scorched earth they do or don't do, I couldn't care less. 

It's funny how so many fans never see, or care about, the record breaking revenue numbers. But every year it's the same thing. Its as if they don't remember bitching about Culpepper's ASTRONOMICAL $7M per year salary 20 years ago. And as if don't realize they'll be bitching about some QB's $100M per year salary 20 years from now. 

You either pay market value or you move on. The amount is irrelevant. It's monopoly money. 

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@mgobluevikes said:

@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@medaille said:

@mgobluevikes said:

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Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter and Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

Jalen Hurts cost $1.6M last year vs Cousins $31.4M.  (You could acquire 3 of the Eagles 4 most expensive players for about the difference in cost).  The Rams took a huge gamble and went all in with Stafford, and now they're practically disassembling it all, so they basically had a 2 year window.  One was magical, one was disastrous.  Maybe we could do miraculous, but I think the going all in method would indicate that we do all in for maybe 2 years and then burning it down rather than extending him for 4 years or whatever.  We do need to get much more cost efficient all over the team.  What's really plagued us is not getting production out of enough draft picks and low cost free agents.

It's the beauty of having a guy on his rookie deal. If you look at their next 4 highest players compared to ours and we owe roughly 10 million more. We're in rough shape. Look at the number we're on the hook for Brian O'Neill. Same as Theilen money. It's insane. Harry is 19 million, Z is 15 million. Cook 14, Hunter 13. Brez must have been wanting to kill Rick and Zim. 

The only cap hits out of whack are the Thielen and Harry hits, and you can be sure the team is going to do something about those. O'Neill's a young guy so that's an easy fix. Team probably never intended to absorb the $19M when it was written. Z and Hunter, both pro bowl players, rank 24th and 28th in terms of their cap hits, much lower in terms of average per year. Bargains. And Cousins now ranks 11th in both cap hit and % of cap. 

It's just a game and every team plays it. Saints are $55M over the cap and just gave Derek Carr $150M. Oh they're kicking the can down the road, they say. So is every team in the NFL. It's how you play the game. Folks need to stop stressing so much about it. 

I agree as a whole, but don't understand the O'Neill contract, and wh thought it was a good idea to sign Harry to that deal at this point in his career? There's a reason why we have so little room to make the meaningful free agent signings we need on defense instead of the old band aids we've been getting.

Well, I agree on Harry. I thought that was a mistake and said so at the time. I think Rick was big on having his drafted players retire as Vikings. But the way it's written, there is zero guaranteed money in '23, '24 and '25, so if Harry declines and the Vikings want to get out, they can do so fairly cheaply. 

I think we'll be surprised by how much money the Vikings have to spend on free agency this year. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@MaroonBells said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@medaille said:

@mgobluevikes said:

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Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter and Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

Jalen Hurts cost $1.6M last year vs Cousins $31.4M.  (You could acquire 3 of the Eagles 4 most expensive players for about the difference in cost).  The Rams took a huge gamble and went all in with Stafford, and now they're practically disassembling it all, so they basically had a 2 year window.  One was magical, one was disastrous.  Maybe we could do miraculous, but I think the going all in method would indicate that we do all in for maybe 2 years and then burning it down rather than extending him for 4 years or whatever.  We do need to get much more cost efficient all over the team.  What's really plagued us is not getting production out of enough draft picks and low cost free agents.

It's the beauty of having a guy on his rookie deal. If you look at their next 4 highest players compared to ours and we owe roughly 10 million more. We're in rough shape. Look at the number we're on the hook for Brian O'Neill. Same as Theilen money. It's insane. Harry is 19 million, Z is 15 million. Cook 14, Hunter 13. Brez must have been wanting to kill Rick and Zim. 

The only cap hits out of whack are the Thielen and Harry hits, and you can be sure the team is going to do something about those. O'Neill's a young guy so that's an easy fix. Team probably never intended to absorb the $19M when it was written. Z and Hunter, both pro bowl players, rank 24th and 28th in terms of their cap hits, much lower in terms of average per year. Bargains. And Cousins now ranks 11th in both cap hit and % of cap. 

It's just a game and every team plays it. Saints are $55M over the cap and just gave Derek Carr $150M. Oh they're kicking the can down the road, they say. So is every team in the NFL. It's how you play the game. Folks need to stop stressing so much about it. 

I agree as a whole, but don't understand the O'Neill contract, and wh thought it was a good idea to sign Harry to that deal at this point in his career? There's a reason why we have so little room to make the meaningful free agent signings we need on defense instead of the old band aids we've been getting.

I think we'll be surprised by how much money the Vikings have to spend on free agency this year. 

We won't, but others might.

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@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Wetlander said:

@PurplePastor said:

@AGRforever said:
$37.5/yr average on Carrs 4yr deal. 

That's kind of an ouch or am I outdated on my assessment?

It puts him behind Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, and Dak who all signed recent extensions.  It's just in front of Cousins in terms of AAV.

Like Greylock said, it's probably a bargain when considering the average annual salary and guarantees compared to some of the other young QBs and formerly elite vets , Lawrence, Lawrence, Hurts, and who knows who else will be inking deals way beyond his, as the cap gets fatter.  

Then I move on,  I dont care what other teams do,  anything more than what Carr got is overpaying for the results we get.  Time to find our own QB.

You've written many times here that we need to draft our QB of the future. I agree we should be trying to do that. You've also said that you wouldn't throw a rookie QB into the fire and ruin him and we'll need a bridge. So, how much draft capital do we intend to spend on this QB this year to ensure we don't end up with the the next Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Jamis Winston? Of course, our 31st rated defense needs help at every position group, we need at least 1 more interior O-lineman, and will probably have to replace Theilen and Cook. Only 4 picks, no 2nd rounder. How many future firsts are we willing to mortgage to get our guy?

As Rich Eisen mentioned yesterday, there is no such thing as moderately priced QB market. When Geno Smith, year off the trash heap is awarded 105 mil 3 yr. contract, proves the point. Signing a bridge "starter", that might not get you through the year, is still going to cost 30 mil, and will be a major drop off from our current production.

We have a choice of either drafting over and over until we find the unicorn, paying below market value for 5 yrs. or paying market value for a proven entity. I don't know if 

Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter 1 Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

I'm fine with offering them renegotiating contracts or moving on,  but they aren't the one people are talking about needing a new deal,  or eating a huge chunk of cap space by themselves.  I am in belief that Harry already won't be here if he doesn't restructure for less,  and Hunter would likely be trade bait for a move up to try and snag a QB.  Not sure where you get that I am opposed to those moves or any player contract being under scrutiny.

Its funny you talk about it being a team game,  but then talk about the 8 comebacks to defend KC like they were his doing.  He threw some shit passes and got bailed out plenty,   I dont like talking shit about KC, because he is a good player and a better person,  but that doesn't change the fact that his contract situation is hampering the future success of this team.

I just don't see anyone pounding the table for Harry to have to take a 70% salary cut or release him, or to have Hunter and or Z get traded before the draft. It's painfully obvious who hasn't been playing up to expectations and whose skill sets are hampering the future success of the team. (see Kendricks), If we need to save 10 mil or more, there's a myriad of options open to Kwesi not named Kirk Cousins to clear cap space, target free agents, and potentially trade for more picks. Yet some are fixated on the guy who led the team in yet another new offensive scheme (for the umpteenth time), behind a suspect line, (for the umpteenth time), and was successful beyond all expectations, finishing in the top 10 in total team offense. Meanwhile, we're staring at a defense that is a swift kick from falling in on itself. Might as well do it right and start from the ground up while Flores is still around.

As far as those comeback wins; if we lost those games on the final drives, I guess Cousins wouldn't have got blamed? He and the receivers did enough to pull it off, mostly without help from the defense. Name a QB who hasn't thrown a couple less than perfect passes and got bailed out. He still kept drives going and didn't let a shit pass, if there was one, get in his head enough to snowball into a loss. That's just some weak sauce.

This doesn't mean I'm not for drafting a QB of the future. In order to make it happen we have to make some deals to get a couple more draft picks. If we want to move the needle at all, the players to consider moving right now are those that are not a scheme fit, have aged out, or have major trade value, (from that 31st rated defense).  

WTF, are you talking about 70% pay cut,  nobody has ever said any number of the sort.  If Kirk were to take about a 25- 30% cut,  which would still be over 25 million per season which is more in line,  that would be huge in terms of rebuilding the D.  And there have been plenty from day one saying AT, Kendricks, Harry, and a few others were on the chopping block.  I have said that nobody besides Darrisaw would be untouchable IMO when it comes to fixing this franchise. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Wetlander said:

@PurplePastor said:

@AGRforever said:
$37.5/yr average on Carrs 4yr deal. 

That's kind of an ouch or am I outdated on my assessment?

It puts him behind Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, and Dak who all signed recent extensions.  It's just in front of Cousins in terms of AAV.

Like Greylock said, it's probably a bargain when considering the average annual salary and guarantees compared to some of the other young QBs and formerly elite vets , Lawrence, Lawrence, Hurts, and who knows who else will be inking deals way beyond his, as the cap gets fatter.  

Then I move on,  I dont care what other teams do,  anything more than what Carr got is overpaying for the results we get.  Time to find our own QB.

You've written many times here that we need to draft our QB of the future. I agree we should be trying to do that. You've also said that you wouldn't throw a rookie QB into the fire and ruin him and we'll need a bridge. So, how much draft capital do we intend to spend on this QB this year to ensure we don't end up with the the next Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Jamis Winston? Of course, our 31st rated defense needs help at every position group, we need at least 1 more interior O-lineman, and will probably have to replace Theilen and Cook. Only 4 picks, no 2nd rounder. How many future firsts are we willing to mortgage to get our guy?

As Rich Eisen mentioned yesterday, there is no such thing as moderately priced QB market. When Geno Smith, year off the trash heap is awarded 105 mil 3 yr. contract, proves the point. Signing a bridge "starter", that might not get you through the year, is still going to cost 30 mil, and will be a major drop off from our current production.

We have a choice of either drafting over and over until we find the unicorn, paying below market value for 5 yrs. or paying market value for a proven entity. I don't know if 

Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter 1 Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

I'm fine with offering them renegotiating contracts or moving on,  but they aren't the one people are talking about needing a new deal,  or eating a huge chunk of cap space by themselves.  I am in belief that Harry already won't be here if he doesn't restructure for less,  and Hunter would likely be trade bait for a move up to try and snag a QB.  Not sure where you get that I am opposed to those moves or any player contract being under scrutiny.

Its funny you talk about it being a team game,  but then talk about the 8 comebacks to defend KC like they were his doing.  He threw some shit passes and got bailed out plenty,   I dont like talking shit about KC, because he is a good player and a better person,  but that doesn't change the fact that his contract situation is hampering the future success of this team.

I just don't see anyone pounding the table for Harry to have to take a 70% salary cut or release him, or to have Hunter and or Z get traded before the draft. It's painfully obvious who hasn't been playing up to expectations and whose skill sets are hampering the future success of the team. (see Kendricks), If we need to save 10 mil or more, there's a myriad of options open to Kwesi not named Kirk Cousins to clear cap space, target free agents, and potentially trade for more picks. Yet some are fixated on the guy who led the team in yet another new offensive scheme (for the umpteenth time), behind a suspect line, (for the umpteenth time), and was successful beyond all expectations, finishing in the top 10 in total team offense. Meanwhile, we're staring at a defense that is a swift kick from falling in on itself. Might as well do it right and start from the ground up while Flores is still around.

As far as those comeback wins; if we lost those games on the final drives, I guess Cousins wouldn't have got blamed? He and the receivers did enough to pull it off, mostly without help from the defense. Name a QB who hasn't thrown a couple less than perfect passes and got bailed out. He still kept drives going and didn't let a shit pass, if there was one, get in his head enough to snowball into a loss. That's just some weak sauce.

This doesn't mean I'm not for drafting a QB of the future. In order to make it happen we have to make some deals to get a couple more draft picks. If we want to move the needle at all, the players to consider moving right now are those that are not a scheme fit, have aged out, or have major trade value, (from that 31st rated defense).  

WTF, are you talking about 70% pay cut,  nobody has ever said any number of the sort.  If Kirk were to take about a 25- 30% cut,  which would still be over 25 million per season which is more in line

In line with what? Certainly not reality. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Wetlander said:

@PurplePastor said:

@AGRforever said:
$37.5/yr average on Carrs 4yr deal. 

That's kind of an ouch or am I outdated on my assessment?

It puts him behind Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, and Dak who all signed recent extensions.  It's just in front of Cousins in terms of AAV.

Like Greylock said, it's probably a bargain when considering the average annual salary and guarantees compared to some of the other young QBs and formerly elite vets , Lawrence, Lawrence, Hurts, and who knows who else will be inking deals way beyond his, as the cap gets fatter.  

Then I move on,  I dont care what other teams do,  anything more than what Carr got is overpaying for the results we get.  Time to find our own QB.

You've written many times here that we need to draft our QB of the future. I agree we should be trying to do that. You've also said that you wouldn't throw a rookie QB into the fire and ruin him and we'll need a bridge. So, how much draft capital do we intend to spend on this QB this year to ensure we don't end up with the the next Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Jamis Winston? Of course, our 31st rated defense needs help at every position group, we need at least 1 more interior O-lineman, and will probably have to replace Theilen and Cook. Only 4 picks, no 2nd rounder. How many future firsts are we willing to mortgage to get our guy?

As Rich Eisen mentioned yesterday, there is no such thing as moderately priced QB market. When Geno Smith, year off the trash heap is awarded 105 mil 3 yr. contract, proves the point. Signing a bridge "starter", that might not get you through the year, is still going to cost 30 mil, and will be a major drop off from our current production.

We have a choice of either drafting over and over until we find the unicorn, paying below market value for 5 yrs. or paying market value for a proven entity. I don't know if 

Well you keep saying he's not playing up to his salary, but who is, besides the guy who wins the Super bowl, or the guy on his rookie deal and doesn't suck? It's been said ad nauseam, but football is the ultimate team sport. How much of a step back would Philly be with KC at QB or with the 49ers. 2 years ago do you think Stafford was that much better than KC? We might not match last years' record again in 2023. It was insane having 8 comeback wins, but it won't because we spent 5 million too much on a QB that won us more games than he lost us by a good margin.

Why aren't you on the bandwagon of dumping Hunter 1 Harry. That side of the ball ranked 31st and have they lived up to their salaries? You see a future for them with the team? Still going to play 3-4.   

I'd like to bring a QB prospect in as well, but at the expense of a LBer, IOL, WR, DL, S, CB all of whom need to be starters from the jump? 

I'm fine with offering them renegotiating contracts or moving on,  but they aren't the one people are talking about needing a new deal,  or eating a huge chunk of cap space by themselves.  I am in belief that Harry already won't be here if he doesn't restructure for less,  and Hunter would likely be trade bait for a move up to try and snag a QB.  Not sure where you get that I am opposed to those moves or any player contract being under scrutiny.

Its funny you talk about it being a team game,  but then talk about the 8 comebacks to defend KC like they were his doing.  He threw some shit passes and got bailed out plenty,   I dont like talking shit about KC, because he is a good player and a better person,  but that doesn't change the fact that his contract situation is hampering the future success of this team.

I just don't see anyone pounding the table for Harry to have to take a 70% salary cut or release him, or to have Hunter and or Z get traded before the draft. It's painfully obvious who hasn't been playing up to expectations and whose skill sets are hampering the future success of the team. (see Kendricks), If we need to save 10 mil or more, there's a myriad of options open to Kwesi not named Kirk Cousins to clear cap space, target free agents, and potentially trade for more picks. Yet some are fixated on the guy who led the team in yet another new offensive scheme (for the umpteenth time), behind a suspect line, (for the umpteenth time), and was successful beyond all expectations, finishing in the top 10 in total team offense. Meanwhile, we're staring at a defense that is a swift kick from falling in on itself. Might as well do it right and start from the ground up while Flores is still around.

As far as those comeback wins; if we lost those games on the final drives, I guess Cousins wouldn't have got blamed? He and the receivers did enough to pull it off, mostly without help from the defense. Name a QB who hasn't thrown a couple less than perfect passes and got bailed out. He still kept drives going and didn't let a shit pass, if there was one, get in his head enough to snowball into a loss. That's just some weak sauce.

This doesn't mean I'm not for drafting a QB of the future. In order to make it happen we have to make some deals to get a couple more draft picks. If we want to move the needle at all, the players to consider moving right now are those that are not a scheme fit, have aged out, or have major trade value, (from that 31st rated defense).  

WTF, are you talking about 70% pay cut,  nobody has ever said any number of the sort.  If Kirk were to take about a 25- 30% cut,  which would still be over 25 million per season which is more in line,  that would be huge in terms of rebuilding the D.  And there have been plenty from day one saying AT, Kendricks, Harry, and a few others were on the chopping block.  I have said that nobody besides Darrisaw would be untouchable IMO when it comes to fixing this franchise. 

I'm saying Harry is worth about 70% less than he's slated to make next year. You're absolutely insane if you think a top 10 QB is in anyway shape or form going to take a 30% pay cut which would actually land him at less than 25 mil, and put his salary below Geno Smith. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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$37.5/yr average on Carrs 4yr deal. 

That's kind of an ouch or am I outdated on my assessment?

It puts him behind Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, and Dak who all signed recent extensions.  It's just in front of Cousins in terms of AAV.

Like Greylock said, it's probably a bargain when considering the average annual salary and guarantees compared to some of the other young QBs and formerly elite vets , Lawrence, Lawrence, Hurts, and who knows who else will be inking deals way beyond his, as the cap gets fatter.  

Then I move on,  I dont care what other teams do,  anything more than what Carr got is overpaying for the results we get.  Time to find our own QB.

You've written many times here that we need to draft our QB of the future. I agree we should be trying to do that. You've also said that you wouldn't throw a rookie QB into the fire and ruin him and we'll need a bridge. So, how much draft capital do we intend to spend on this QB this year to ensure we don't end up with the the next Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Jamis Winston? Of course, our 31st rated defense needs help at every position group, we need at least 1 more interior O-lineman, and will probably have to replace Theilen and Cook. Only 4 picks, no 2nd rounder. How many future firsts are we willing to mortgage to get our guy?

As Rich Eisen mentioned yesterday, there is no such thing as moderately priced QB market. When Geno Smith, year off the trash heap is awarded 105 mil 3 yr. contract, proves the point. Signing a bridge "starter", that might not get you through the year, is still going to cost 30 mil, and will be a major drop off from our current production.

We have a choice of either drafting over and over until we find the unicorn, paying below market value for 5 yrs. or paying market value for a proven entity. I 

In line with what? Certainly not reality. 

That would put him in line with what Brady was making and what Carrs real number is before unguaranteed incentives.    

35 year old immobile QB.  Signing him to contracts like he has been getting would be idiotic, regardless of his track record.  Its not like the team has been on the cusp of greatness his entire tenure,  we have been a nice team at best.   Sure the D has been a bigger problem,  but lets not pretend KCs game has been above reproach, and money near the top of the market is just a bad plan IMO if the goal is to build a real contender.  Of you are happy with more seasons like we just had,  fine,  I want to see a more balanced team that can do the things we need them to do to be a real playoff contender.  I dont see that with what we know from KC to date.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@StickyBun said:

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Wetlander said:

@PurplePastor said:

@AGRforever said:
$37.5/yr average on Carrs 4yr deal. 

That's kind of an ouch or am I outdated on my assessment?

It puts him behind Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, and Dak who all signed recent extensions.  It's just in front of Cousins in terms of AAV.

Like Greylock said, it's probably a bargain when considering the average annual salary and guarantees compared to some of the other young QBs and formerly elite vets , Lawrence, Lawrence, Hurts, and who knows who else will be inking deals way beyond his, as the cap gets fatter.  

Then I move on,  I dont care what other teams do,  anything more than what Carr got is overpaying for the results we get.  Time to find our own QB.

You've written many times here that we need to draft our QB of the future. I agree we should be trying to do that. You've also said that you wouldn't throw a rookie QB into the fire and ruin him and we'll need a bridge. So, how much draft capital do we intend to spend on this QB this year to ensure we don't end up with the the next Zach Wilson, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Jamis Winston? Of course, our 31st rated defense needs help at every position group, we need at least 1 more interior O-lineman, and will probably have to replace Theilen and Cook. Only 4 picks, no 2nd rounder. How many future firsts are we willing to mortgage to get our guy?

As Rich Eisen mentioned yesterday, there is no such thing as moderately priced QB market. When Geno Smith, year off the trash heap is awarded 105 mil 3 yr. contract, proves the point. Signing a bridge "starter", that might not get you through the year, is still going to cost 30 mil, and will be a major drop off from our current production.

We have a choice of either drafting over and over until we find the unicorn, paying below market value for 5 yrs. or paying market value for a proven entity. I 

In line with what? Certainly not reality. 

That would put him in line with what Brady was making and what Carrs real number is before unguaranteed incentives.    

35 year old immobile QB.  Signing him to contracts like he has been getting would be idiotic, regardless of his track record.  Its not like the team has been on the cusp of greatness his entire tenure,  we have been a nice team at best.   Sure the D has been a bigger problem,  but lets not pretend KCs game has been above reproach, and money near the top of the market is just a bad plan IMO if the goal is to build a real contender.  Of you are happy with more seasons like we just had,  fine,  I want to see a more balanced team that can do the things we need them to do to be a real playoff contender.  I dont see that with what we know from KC to date.

•Regardless of track record? So in other words it doesn't matter how good he is, fair compensation is out of the question...
•Sure the D has been a bigger problem... but I'm going to throw out the top 10 player on offense to save money instead of looking first at the many others clearly not playing at a top 10 level on defense...makes all kinds of sense.
•near the top of the market... Currently 11th highest paid for a QB rated 7th in the league, but should take a pay cut... Seems about right.
•I want to see a more balanced team that can do the things we need them to do to be a real playoff contender.  I dont see that with what we know from KC to date. Well a defense would do wonders in becoming a balanced team. KC can't cover tight ends on crossing routes. Cut him.

According to Spotrac, Carr is going to make about 100 million if he makes it through 3 of his 4 yr. deal. It helps to have a signing bonus of 28.5 million this year. and 5.7 signing bonuses, and a 10 mil roster bonus. I don't see any other incentives. Real numbers?