Quote: @Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
It doesn't really matter either way because they get their way. They throw an incessant fit every time the topic is broached, and thus it can't be on the main page It's pretty much a known fact at this point that the vaccine is disproportionately killing athletic young males. There was and still is every good reason to question the supposed science, the CDC, the vaccine, the WHO, and the Good Lord Fauci who all are culpable in many people's deaths. There still may be some debate to be had over the best treatments and exactly the degree with which certain things could/should have been believed. There is no argument that people were correct to question each and every person telling them how stupid they were and how they were killing people because they would not get jabbed. 1-2 years later, the left and their minions still want to hold the moral high ground by losing their f..king mind if people dare try to get the message out that the vaccine far under-delivered, and probably killed more people (with more to come) than it ever saved for much of the population.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
It doesn't really matter either way because they get their way. They throw an incessant fit every time the topic is broached, and thus it can't be on the main page It's pretty much a known fact at this point that the vaccine is disproportionately killing athletic young males. There was and still is every good reason to question the supposed science, the CDC, the vaccine, the WHO, and the Good Lord Fauci who all are culpable in many people's deaths. There still may be some debate to be had over the best treatments and exactly the degree with which certain things could/should have been believed. There is no argument that people were correct to question each and every person telling them how stupid they were and how they were killing people because they would not get jabbed. 1-2 years later, the left and their minions still want to hold the moral high ground by losing their f..king mind if people dare try to get the message out that the vaccine far under-delivered, and probably killed more people (with more to come) than it ever saved for much of the population.
i agree with a lot of what you said, with exception to that last sentence, there is nothing to show how many were actually saved vs how many have been harmed by the vaccine. for many the virus had a very low mortality rate, but how much higher would that mortality rate been for those in the 30+ age brackets that were vaccinated fairly early on, how many more elderly would have been exposed and likely lost if their caretakers were not vaccinated? the hyperbole and exaggeration on both sides is why we cant have a real civil discussion on this topic IMO. want anything to become toxic, simply assign one position to one political party and the opposing position to the other party and … voila instant shit mess that will only help to cover up the truth and keep any real meaningful progress on the matter from ever taking place due to it being partisan.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
It doesn't really matter either way because they get their way. They throw an incessant fit every time the topic is broached, and thus it can't be on the main page It's pretty much a known fact at this point that the vaccine is disproportionately killing athletic young males. There was and still is every good reason to question the supposed science, the CDC, the vaccine, the WHO, and the Good Lord Fauci who all are culpable in many people's deaths. There still may be some debate to be had over the best treatments and exactly the degree with which certain things could/should have been believed. There is no argument that people were correct to question each and every person telling them how stupid they were and how they were killing people because they would not get jabbed. 1-2 years later, the left and their minions still want to hold the moral high ground by losing their f..king mind if people dare try to get the message out that the vaccine far under-delivered, and probably killed more people (with more to come) than it ever saved for much of the population.
i agree with a lot of what you said, with exception to that last sentence, there is nothing to show how many were actually saved vs how many have been harmed by the vaccine. for many the virus had a very low mortality rate, but how much higher would that mortality rate been for those in the 30+ age brackets that were vaccinated fairly early on, how many more elderly would have been exposed and likely lost if their caretakers were not vaccinated? the hyperbole and exaggeration on both sides is why we cant have a real civil discussion on this topic IMO. want anything to become toxic, simply assign one position to one political party and the opposing position to the other party and … voila instant shit mess that will only help to cover up the truth and keep any real meaningful progress on the matter from ever taking place due to it being partisan.
Read what I wrote closely. If more people were killed that were under age 30 by the vaccine than by Covid, then you're agreeing with my statement that it probably killed more people than it saved for much of the population. That's what has happened with what we know of for the side effects of the vaccine to date. What is even more concerning is that the long-term death rates have skyrocketed and something weird is happening out there. And it's happening to a far greater degree in the most highly vaccinated countries on the globe. I don't have to state definitively what it is to know that the vaccine should be researched as one of the potential causes for that (along with Covid). The point is the Govt, MSM, Social-Media, and Drug Companies had no right or facts to support jabbing 80% of the public. I can't name a friend who's getting a booster, because they all know it's a sham now. They know people get covid regardless of the booster, and they know that since the early days, that the virus has become less harmful, to the point where many feel the booster is more harmful. It shows how the argument has died on the vine for the all-knowing forcing their views on everybody else. Now, Tony is getting caught in his ridiculous web of lies, and all of a sudden, people don't want to talk about it because they're too "mature". Screw that, the conversation should have been a conversation to begin with instead of bed-wetting do gooders trying to force their views on everybody else. Imho, we'd be in as good if not better place today as a society had the vaccine never come about. Maybe even better better if only those in extremely high risk categories had been allowed to take it. Natural immunity and resistance seem to once again be winning the historical fight against viruses. Viruses want their hosts to live or the virus dies off. It's been true since day 1 and is proving true again. When a vaccine is created that has not been tested and is not truly a vaccine, it would be crazy to just accept others forcibly making you take it.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
It doesn't really matter either way because they get their way. They throw an incessant fit every time the topic is broached, and thus it can't be on the main page It's pretty much a known fact at this point that the vaccine is disproportionately killing athletic young males. There was and still is every good reason to question the supposed science, the CDC, the vaccine, the WHO, and the Good Lord Fauci who all are culpable in many people's deaths. There still may be some debate to be had over the best treatments and exactly the degree with which certain things could/should have been believed. There is no argument that people were correct to question each and every person telling them how stupid they were and how they were killing people because they would not get jabbed. 1-2 years later, the left and their minions still want to hold the moral high ground by losing their f..king mind if people dare try to get the message out that the vaccine far under-delivered, and probably killed more people (with more to come) than it ever saved for much of the population.
i agree with a lot of what you said, with exception to that last sentence, there is nothing to show how many were actually saved vs how many have been harmed by the vaccine. for many the virus had a very low mortality rate, but how much higher would that mortality rate been for those in the 30+ age brackets that were vaccinated fairly early on, how many more elderly would have been exposed and likely lost if their caretakers were not vaccinated? the hyperbole and exaggeration on both sides is why we cant have a real civil discussion on this topic IMO. want anything to become toxic, simply assign one position to one political party and the opposing position to the other party and … voila instant shit mess that will only help to cover up the truth and keep any real meaningful progress on the matter from ever taking place due to it being partisan.
Read what I wrote closely. If more people were killed that were under age 30 by the vaccine than by Covid, then you're agreeing with my statement that it probably killed more people than it saved for much of the population. That's what has happened with what we know of for the side effects of the vaccine to date. What is even more concerning is that the long-term death rates have skyrocketed and something weird is happening out there. And it's happening to a far greater degree in the most highly vaccinated countries on the globe. I don't have to state definitively what it is to know that the vaccine should be researched as one of the potential causes for that (along with Covid). The point is the Govt, MSM, Social-Media, and Drug Companies had no right or facts to support jabbing 80% of the public. I can't name a friend who's getting a booster, because they all know it's a sham now. They know people get covid regardless of the booster, and they know that since the early days, that the virus has become less harmful, to the point where many feel the booster is more harmful. It shows how the argument has died on the vine for the all-knowing forcing their views on everybody else. Now, Tony is getting caught in his ridiculous web of lies, and all of a sudden, people don't want to talk about it because they're too "mature". Screw that, the conversation should have been a conversation to begin with instead of bed-wetting do gooders trying to force their views on everybody else. Imho, we'd be in as good if not better place today as a society had the vaccine never come about. Maybe even better better if only those in extremely high risk categories had been allowed to take it. Natural immunity and resistance seem to once again be winning the historical fight against viruses. Viruses want their hosts to live or the virus dies off. It's been true since day 1 and is proving true again. When a vaccine is created that has not been tested and is not truly a vaccine, it would be crazy to just accept others forcibly making you take it.
I read what you wrote, and no I am not agreeing with your statement. You are looking at one age group in a vacuum. I agree with most of your other statements, but we don't know, we won't know, how many were possibly saved by the vaccine, both directly and indirectly. Just as we dont know how many have been killed by side effects.
Did you happen to listen to the podcast with Dr Robert Malone? I tend to believe and follow his thoughts process on the vaccine. While potentially dangerous, the older age groups and especially the immune compromised should consider it a good gamble, younger and healthier shouldnt have received it, but to say its killed more than it saved is a huge stretch without real numbers, but if thats the hill you are going to die on, then its yours.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
Tin foil hats everyone? So, if Donald Trump said it, it had to be false and thus debunked, kinda like Hunter's dealings in Ukraine, China, and Russia, along with his laptop. All things the media wouldn't touch that turned out to be 100% true. They elected a bed shitter for the White House and go into hiding. But, I guess it's more about them being "civil" and above such awful conversations on a message board.
Credibility crisis: CNN boss ordered staff not to chase down COVID lab leak theory as pandemic unfolded | Fox News
you know how this goes, right? we leave it on the main page, two groups emerge and shit all over each other, no sane or neutral people stick around in the thread anyway, so you gain absolutely nothing. you didnt change and minds, you didnt present new information to anybody that would possibly get anything from it, and most likely the thread gets locked anyway. The mods can give you a little more latitude over here as long as you are presenting the information in a non offensive manner. honestly crying about not being able to post this political/medical material on the football page is just going to turn more people off from viewing this thread.
It doesn't really matter either way because they get their way. They throw an incessant fit every time the topic is broached, and thus it can't be on the main page It's pretty much a known fact at this point that the vaccine is disproportionately killing athletic young males. There was and still is every good reason to question the supposed science, the CDC, the vaccine, the WHO, and the Good Lord Fauci who all are culpable in many people's deaths. There still may be some debate to be had over the best treatments and exactly the degree with which certain things could/should have been believed. There is no argument that people were correct to question each and every person telling them how stupid they were and how they were killing people because they would not get jabbed. 1-2 years later, the left and their minions still want to hold the moral high ground by losing their f..king mind if people dare try to get the message out that the vaccine far under-delivered, and probably killed more people (with more to come) than it ever saved for much of the population.
i agree with a lot of what you said, with exception to that last sentence, there is nothing to show how many were actually saved vs how many have been harmed by the vaccine. for many the virus had a very low mortality rate, but how much higher would that mortality rate been for those in the 30+ age brackets that were vaccinated fairly early on, how many more elderly would have been exposed and likely lost if their caretakers were not vaccinated? the hyperbole and exaggeration on both sides is why we cant have a real civil discussion on this topic IMO. want anything to become toxic, simply assign one position to one political party and the opposing position to the other party and … voila instant shit mess that will only help to cover up the truth and keep any real meaningful progress on the matter from ever taking place due to it being partisan.
Read what I wrote closely. If more people were killed that were under age 30 by the vaccine than by Covid, then you're agreeing with my statement that it probably killed more people than it saved for much of the population. That's what has happened with what we know of for the side effects of the vaccine to date. What is even more concerning is that the long-term death rates have skyrocketed and something weird is happening out there. And it's happening to a far greater degree in the most highly vaccinated countries on the globe. I don't have to state definitively what it is to know that the vaccine should be researched as one of the potential causes for that (along with Covid). The point is the Govt, MSM, Social-Media, and Drug Companies had no right or facts to support jabbing 80% of the public. I can't name a friend who's getting a booster, because they all know it's a sham now. They know people get covid regardless of the booster, and they know that since the early days, that the virus has become less harmful, to the point where many feel the booster is more harmful. It shows how the argument has died on the vine for the all-knowing forcing their views on everybody else. Now, Tony is getting caught in his ridiculous web of lies, and all of a sudden, people don't want to talk about it because they're too "mature". Screw that, the conversation should have been a conversation to begin with instead of bed-wetting do gooders trying to force their views on everybody else. Imho, we'd be in as good if not better place today as a society had the vaccine never come about. Maybe even better better if only those in extremely high risk categories had been allowed to take it. Natural immunity and resistance seem to once again be winning the historical fight against viruses. Viruses want their hosts to live or the virus dies off. It's been true since day 1 and is proving true again. When a vaccine is created that has not been tested and is not truly a vaccine, it would be crazy to just accept others forcibly making you take it.
I read what you wrote, and no I am not agreeing with your statement. You are looking at one age group in a vacuum. I agree with most of your other statements, but we don't know, we won't know, how many were possibly saved by the vaccine, both directly and indirectly. Just as we dont know how many have been killed by side effects.
Did you happen to listen to the podcast with Dr Robert Malone? I tend to believe and follow his thoughts process on the vaccine. While potentially dangerous, the older age groups and especially the immune compromised should consider it a good gamble, younger and healthier shouldnt have received it, but to say its killed more than it saved is a huge stretch without real numbers, but if thats the hill you are going to die on, then its yours.
I consider the under 30's and especially under 40's "much" of the population. I guess it depends on what you consider "much". And yes, I follow Dr. Malone quite closely.
Over 50% of the World's Population is Under 30 – Social Media on the Rise | Erik Qualman (equalman.com)
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
I read what you wrote, and no I am not agreeing with your statement. You are looking at one age group in a vacuum. I agree with most of your other statements, but we don't know, we won't know, how many were possibly saved by the vaccine, both directly and indirectly. Just as we dont know how many have been killed by side effects.
Did you happen to listen to the podcast with Dr Robert Malone? I tend to believe and follow his thoughts process on the vaccine. While potentially dangerous, the older age groups and especially the immune compromised should consider it a good gamble, younger and healthier shouldnt have received it, but to say its killed more than it saved is a huge stretch without real numbers, but if thats the hill you are going to die on, then its yours.
I consider the under 30's and especially under 40's "much" of the population. I guess it depends on what you consider "much". And yes, I follow Dr. Malone quite closely.
Over 50% of the World's Population is Under 30 – Social Media on the Rise | Erik Qualman (equalman.com)
sure when you factor in third world countries with low life expectancy and still high birth rates, but those countries are not likely vaccinating their populations, let alone mandating them. The birth rate in developed nations has been declining for some time now, and the life expectancy has continued to increase, 30 and under is not likely what I would call most of the population for the sake of this conversation. you added under 40, but I wouldnt include the 31-40 crowd as the group that is typically tipping over from mandated vaccinations and boosters.
if you follow what Malone had said early on in this debate, he said that middle age ( can we agree on 35 as a number to define middle age? ) on up should strongly consider it, as they were more prone to serious consequences from covid, under that he was skeptical down to about HS age, below that he was pretty against it except in rare cases. either way, whats done is done, should people be held accountable, sure, will they... no fucking way. you can bang your head against the wall and scream to your throat bleeds, but it wont bring back the dead. Hell, I dont even believe those that went along blindly this go round would change what they did if we were facing a similar event in the future, and I think we have the media to thank for that, somewhere along the way they went from being the watchdog for the people, to being the lapdogs for the party handlers, and half the country doesnt give a fuck because they tell them what they want to hear.
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