Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
Quote: @Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
yup. intelligently and deftly stated. Obviously you dont work for the government
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I find it a bit interesting that the Chinese have been buying up ag ground in Central ND, and their ballon path went over that same area. Besides spying on Purplemachine, what else could they be interested in up there? ,Minot AFB is my guess. Not sure what uncle Sam is up to up there, but I had heard a while back that the Minot area would be one of the most heavily targeted spots in the US in case of an attack on the US due to its nuclear capabilities, but thats hardly a secret and what could a balloon see that a satellite not see. Unless it's doing more specific stuff than just visual. Certainly don't believe for a second that it was climate or weather related. Or that those land purchases were for ag investments.
Thats what I don't get about the whole thing. China has unlimited satellites to look at anything they care to look at on Earth. Why fly a balloon? Hell, we can see the vast majority of the flight course using google earth right now.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
The Russians invaded Crimea, shot down a civilian airliner, and we issued sanctions, they invade the Ukraine a decade later and we write a few checks. we've been being probed on 2 fronts and our lack of action is being noted.
I dont think direct military action is the best approach, but I think we could be flexing a bit as well much more strict social and economic activities would be in order. I dont think our military is what it once was and our nations gut and grit isnt what it once was. If shit got real I just dont think it ends well for Ol Glory.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
The Russians invaded Crimea, shot down a civilian airliner, and we issued sanctions, they invade the Ukraine a decade later and we write a few checks. we've been being probed on 2 fronts and our lack of action is being noted.
I dont think direct military action is the best approach, but I think we could be flexing a bit as well much more strict social and economic activities would be in order. I dont think our military is what it once was and our nations gut and grit isnt what it once was. If shit got real I just dont think it ends well for Ol Glory.
WASHINGTON — While some blame the COVID-19 vaccine or "wokeness" for the Army's recruiting woes, the military service says the bigger hurdles are more traditional ones: Young people don't want to die or get injured, deal with the stress of Army life and put their lives on hold.They "just don't see the Army as something that's relevant," said Maj. Gen. Alex Fink, head of Army marketing. "They see us as revered, but not relevant, in their lives."
Addressing those longtime issues has taken on greater urgency as the Army tries to recover from its worst recruiting year in decades, a situation aggravated by the tight jobs market.
The Army fell about 15,000 soldiers, or 25%, short of its 60,000 recruitment goal last year, when all the branches struggled to meet recruiting goals
Guiding the Army's efforts are surveys intended to help pinpoint why young people dismiss the Army as a career.
Those surveys were conducted over four months last spring and summer. They involved about 600 respondents, ages 16 to 28, per month. The Army discussed the general findings with The Associated Press but declined to provide detailed methodology, saying the surveys were done by a private research contractor and that licensing agreements limited the public release of some data collection details.
Officials said that based on the surveys, young people simply do not see the Army as a safe place or good career path, and believe they would have to put their lives and careers on hold if they enlisted.
Army leaders said very few say they are deterred from enlisting due to "wokeness." In fact, concerns about discrimination against women and minorities is seen as a bigger issue, along with a more general distrust of the military
Fink, the Army's marketing head, said the top three reasons young people cite for rejecting military enlistment are the same across all the services: fear of death, worries about post-traumatic stress disorder and leaving friends and family — in that order. He said the Army wanted a better understanding of any additional barriers to service, beyond those top three.
By a "significant margin," he said, the most common response beyond Nos. 1-3 was, "I will be putting my life on hold." That was cited by more than 1 in 5 people surveyed.
Many young people do not know anyone in the Army and are unfamiliar with the jobs or benefits it offers. Fink said trust in government institutions, including the military, has declined, particularly among this group.
"They just don't perceive the Army as being in touch with the modern, everyday culture that they're used to," he said.
Fink said about 10% in the surveys say they do not trust military leadership, based on the way recent events or missions have been handled. That could include the Afghanistan withdrawal or use of the military during racial unrest and protests in the United States.
Other reasons get much smaller mentions. They include concerns about living conditions on military bases, getting assigned to unwanted jobs, the coronavirus vaccine and the "wokeness" issue.
https://www.startribune.com/army-sees-safety-not-wokeness-as-top-recruiting-obstacle/600251029/
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
The Russians invaded Crimea, shot down a civilian airliner, and we issued sanctions, they invade the Ukraine a decade later and we write a few checks. we've been being probed on 2 fronts and our lack of action is being noted.
I dont think direct military action is the best approach, but I think we could be flexing a bit as well much more strict social and economic activities would be in order. I dont think our military is what it once was and our nations gut and grit isnt what it once was. If shit got real I just dont think it ends well for Ol Glory.
WASHINGTON — While some blame the COVID-19 vaccine or "wokeness" for the Army's recruiting woes, the military service says the bigger hurdles are more traditional ones: Young people don't want to die or get injured, deal with the stress of Army life and put their lives on hold.They "just don't see the Army as something that's relevant," said Maj. Gen. Alex Fink, head of Army marketing. "They see us as revered, but not relevant, in their lives."
Addressing those longtime issues has taken on greater urgency as the Army tries to recover from its worst recruiting year in decades, a situation aggravated by the tight jobs market.
The Army fell about 15,000 soldiers, or 25%, short of its 60,000 recruitment goal last year, when all the branches struggled to meet recruiting goals
Guiding the Army's efforts are surveys intended to help pinpoint why young people dismiss the Army as a career.
Those surveys were conducted over four months last spring and summer. They involved about 600 respondents, ages 16 to 28, per month. The Army discussed the general findings with The Associated Press but declined to provide detailed methodology, saying the surveys were done by a private research contractor and that licensing agreements limited the public release of some data collection details.
Officials said that based on the surveys, young people simply do not see the Army as a safe place or good career path, and believe they would have to put their lives and careers on hold if they enlisted.
Army leaders said very few say they are deterred from enlisting due to "wokeness." In fact, concerns about discrimination against women and minorities is seen as a bigger issue, along with a more general distrust of the military
Fink, the Army's marketing head, said the top three reasons young people cite for rejecting military enlistment are the same across all the services: fear of death, worries about post-traumatic stress disorder and leaving friends and family — in that order. He said the Army wanted a better understanding of any additional barriers to service, beyond those top three.
By a "significant margin," he said, the most common response beyond Nos. 1-3 was, "I will be putting my life on hold." That was cited by more than 1 in 5 people surveyed.
Many young people do not know anyone in the Army and are unfamiliar with the jobs or benefits it offers. Fink said trust in government institutions, including the military, has declined, particularly among this group.
"They just don't perceive the Army as being in touch with the modern, everyday culture that they're used to," he said.
Fink said about 10% in the surveys say they do not trust military leadership, based on the way recent events or missions have been handled. That could include the Afghanistan withdrawal or use of the military during racial unrest and protests in the United States.
Other reasons get much smaller mentions. They include concerns about living conditions on military bases, getting assigned to unwanted jobs, the coronavirus vaccine and the "wokeness" issue.
https://www.startribune.com/army-sees-safety-not-wokeness-as-top-recruiting-obstacle/600251029/
I figured mistrust of the govt would have been higher with all the turmoil surrounding the top office holders the last decade plus and the media driven narratives from both sides.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vanguard83 said:
Now that we have taken to shooting them down, whats to prevent the Chinese from adding a biological agent ?
Asking for a “friend”
Whats to say they already weren't releasing a biological?
agreed - or “testing our response” for the future....
In December 1937 The Japanese attacked and sank the USS Panay, effectively to evaluate our response FOUR YEARS before Pearl Harbor.
Although Congress appropriated more money for the Navy, the Japanese were essentially “testing the American will against the Empire of Japan” No direct military action was taken, but an embargo put in place that eventually would embolden the attack an the American Pacific fleet.
Sadly, Most have forgotten about the Panay, but there is a valuable lesson in understanding our past. Its too bad that collectively our nations leaders have lost their “memory”.... and backbone
and Im a liberal
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudentland testing the will of G.Britain & France...They did jack and in Sept 39 he invaded Poland and the rest we know all about.
American stomach for another war after "the Great War in 1918 was Nil...Isolationism ruled. Those were the rest of the worlds problems.
And the rest we know all about.
In this country today we still have varying views of what our role should be - globalists, nationalists, isolationists etc...
I still view Russia, China and Iran as enemies, but I realize not everyone does.
The Russians invaded Crimea, shot down a civilian airliner, and we issued sanctions, they invade the Ukraine a decade later and we write a few checks. we've been being probed on 2 fronts and our lack of action is being noted.
I dont think direct military action is the best approach, but I think we could be flexing a bit as well much more strict social and economic activities would be in order. I dont think our military is what it once was and our nations gut and grit isnt what it once was. If shit got real I just dont think it ends well for Ol Glory.
WASHINGTON — While some blame the COVID-19 vaccine or "wokeness" for the Army's recruiting woes, the military service says the bigger hurdles are more traditional ones: Young people don't want to die or get injured, deal with the stress of Army life and put their lives on hold.They "just don't see the Army as something that's relevant," said Maj. Gen. Alex Fink, head of Army marketing. "They see us as revered, but not relevant, in their lives."
Addressing those longtime issues has taken on greater urgency as the Army tries to recover from its worst recruiting year in decades, a situation aggravated by the tight jobs market.
The Army fell about 15,000 soldiers, or 25%, short of its 60,000 recruitment goal last year, when all the branches struggled to meet recruiting goals
Guiding the Army's efforts are surveys intended to help pinpoint why young people dismiss the Army as a career.
Those surveys were conducted over four months last spring and summer. They involved about 600 respondents, ages 16 to 28, per month. The Army discussed the general findings with The Associated Press but declined to provide detailed methodology, saying the surveys were done by a private research contractor and that licensing agreements limited the public release of some data collection details.
Officials said that based on the surveys, young people simply do not see the Army as a safe place or good career path, and believe they would have to put their lives and careers on hold if they enlisted.
Army leaders said very few say they are deterred from enlisting due to "wokeness." In fact, concerns about discrimination against women and minorities is seen as a bigger issue, along with a more general distrust of the military
Fink, the Army's marketing head, said the top three reasons young people cite for rejecting military enlistment are the same across all the services: fear of death, worries about post-traumatic stress disorder and leaving friends and family — in that order. He said the Army wanted a better understanding of any additional barriers to service, beyond those top three.
By a "significant margin," he said, the most common response beyond Nos. 1-3 was, "I will be putting my life on hold." That was cited by more than 1 in 5 people surveyed.
Many young people do not know anyone in the Army and are unfamiliar with the jobs or benefits it offers. Fink said trust in government institutions, including the military, has declined, particularly among this group.
"They just don't perceive the Army as being in touch with the modern, everyday culture that they're used to," he said.
Fink said about 10% in the surveys say they do not trust military leadership, based on the way recent events or missions have been handled. That could include the Afghanistan withdrawal or use of the military during racial unrest and protests in the United States.
Other reasons get much smaller mentions. They include concerns about living conditions on military bases, getting assigned to unwanted jobs, the coronavirus vaccine and the "wokeness" issue.
https://www.startribune.com/army-sees-safety-not-wokeness-as-top-recruiting-obstacle/600251029/
No shit?
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