Nope I don't want a running back drafted that high, there are way too many other holes to fill.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ medaille said:
I just don't see the advantage in drafting a RB high, regardless of their skill. I don't think even a "generational" talent at RB is worth it. We need studs on defense. The biggest game changer we could get on offense would be interior OLine or a QB of the future. If for some reason Thielen and KOJ are both out, WR might be a priority.
The problem is that there are zero IOL at 23 worthy of a first round grade and we don't have a second round pick. I would love to draft our new center and we should be able to get a decent one in the 3rd or 4th round. I also would like to see a game changing Linebacker or DT but again, the pickings are slim where we will be drafting in the first. Better to trade down and get a 2nd and 3rd to add to what we have and hope you can plug some holes with the defensive needs. Simpson will be a late first, early 2nd; Sewell will be an early 2nd. Even Campbell would be a good addition in the 3rd to fill the talent void at Linebacker so stacking some additional picks by trading down might be the best option to fix the defense this offseason along with some free agency spend. With Cook potentially being a high cut target, that is why I would consider a rookie RB to replace him. I don't think anyone doubts Cook's talent, but I'm not paying him $14 million and I'm not pushing money out to the future with a restructure for an aging Running Back.
I disagree in that I think there's at least 2-3 IOL worthy of a 1st round pick.
I will be surprised to see us not trade down and try and flip it for a few day 2 and 3 picks.
And no, I dont spend a first on a RB. Hell its likely easier to find a quality RB than any other player in the game. Put RB down there with kickers and punters, fix the damn OL and you won't need special/generational talent at RB.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I will be surprised to see us not trade down and try and flip it for a few day 2 and 3 picks.
And no, I dont spend a first on a RB. Hell its likely easier to find a quality RB than any other player in the game. Put RB down there with kickers and punters, fix the damn OL and you won't need special/generational talent at RB.
Easier said than done on fixing the OL. We need a new center, and you could argue that our guards will continue to perform below average based on what we saw this year.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ TBro said:
@ medaille said:
I just don't see the advantage in drafting a RB high, regardless of their skill. I don't think even a "generational" talent at RB is worth it. We need studs on defense. The biggest game changer we could get on offense would be interior OLine or a QB of the future. If for some reason Thielen and KOJ are both out, WR might be a priority.
The problem is that there are zero IOL at 23 worthy of a first round grade and we don't have a second round pick. I would love to draft our new center and we should be able to get a decent one in the 3rd or 4th round. I also would like to see a game changing Linebacker or DT but again, the pickings are slim where we will be drafting in the first. Better to trade down and get a 2nd and 3rd to add to what we have and hope you can plug some holes with the defensive needs. Simpson will be a late first, early 2nd; Sewell will be an early 2nd. Even Campbell would be a good addition in the 3rd to fill the talent void at Linebacker so stacking some additional picks by trading down might be the best option to fix the defense this offseason along with some free agency spend. With Cook potentially being a high cut target, that is why I would consider a rookie RB to replace him. I don't think anyone doubts Cook's talent, but I'm not paying him $14 million and I'm not pushing money out to the future with a restructure for an aging Running Back.
I disagree in that I think there's at least 2-3 IOL worthy of a 1st round pick.
Who are some of the IOL that you have a first round grade on that would be worth taking at 23? Schmitz, the top rated Center, has a mid to late second round grade. For Guards, Parris Johnson gets a 1st round grade, but I think he will be long gone before he gets to us. Torrence is a fringe 1st rounder who most have going in the early 2nd. His stock could increase once he works out for team. Still, there isn't much to pick from. Curious who you think should be in play at 23. I also have my doubts that the KAM and KOC will take a guard with the 1st even if it would upgrade the line. I feel like they are really committed to Cleveland and Ingram whether we like it or not.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I will be surprised to see us not trade down and try and flip it for a few day 2 and 3 picks.
And no, I dont spend a first on a RB. Hell its likely easier to find a quality RB than any other player in the game. Put RB down there with kickers and punters, fix the damn OL and you won't need special/generational talent at RB.
Easier said than done on fixing the OL. We need a new center, and you could argue that our guards will continue to perform below average based on what we saw this year.
There are guys across the league that step in and play at high levels in replacement for starters, it can't be that damn difficult to find big strong guys with a touch of athleticism. Problem is I think rick was to focused on finding a very specific type of player and forgot about the fact that first and foremost they have to be strong enough to hold up against DTs. Elflein, now GB were supposed to be so good because of wrestling backgrounds, but they get shoved all over the place, Cleveland get almost zero push in the run game, when other teams have guys coming off their benches looking better than our starters, I think it says we need to revamp what we are actually looking for.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
No. With so many holes on defense and only 4 draft picks, the only non-defense position we should consider is WR....maybe QB if one falls to us.
What's more....Rhamondre Stevenson, Tony Pollard and Dameon Pierce, 4th round. Isaiah Pacheco, undrafted. Austin Ekeler, undrafted.
I don't disagree at all. For the Vikings the question is around resource allocation. If they were to move on from Cook and save $7M in 2023 and $14-15M in both 2024/25 its easily a high-end starter you can find elsewhere. Or you can add 2-3 role players for the same price. So you just added a salary spots for Da'Ron Payne or maybe even 2 mid-level CBs, a CB/LB, etc. You get the point. Just tossing names around. But if you then take Robinson at #23 you are getting potentially a better RB on a rookie deal for 4 years + an advantageous 5th year option. He is a Barkley level prospect. So there is "value" associated with that depending on how you sum up the parts. The 1st round pick in Robinson just gives you more certainty than a mid-round selection if you are going in with no RB depth whatsoever.
Doubt they do it. This would just be an argument for it.
I don't think Robinson's game translate big time success in the NFL. The guy will have some incredible highlights. Some big games but I don't think he can survive a 17 game season. He runs a 4.49. I'm a Viking and a Longhorn fan. Now his team mate Johnson is 230 something runs a 4.50 and is very physical. Has great leadership and selfless. Johnson won't have Robinson highlights but will have a solid career.
Quote: @TBro said:
I'm even willing to move on from both Cook and Mattison and let Ty Chandler take over as the feature back and draft another running back in the later rounds as depth. RB talent in this draft is deep and you don't have to spend high draft capital on a great player outside of Bijan.
This. Cook is expensive and overdue for his next inury. Mattison is just a guy.
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