Dantzler

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@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@JR44 said:
It makes me wonder about Spielman and if he really deserved to go, if this is the way Zimmer communicated could you blame Spielman for not talking to him and how much was he to blame for the culture of the team.  The initial rumors were that Zimmer would go, but Spielman would stay.

It was Spielmans job to never let it get that far.  If he was worthy of the top job he would have shut that shit down 3 years ago.

Unless the clueless Wilfs bought  into the Tuna's BS that Zimmer wasn't the problem, until he clearly was.

I think that was the main problem for Rick.  Zim was always real smug about his job security when the subject came up in the media.  He was Parcells' boy and Parcells had the Wilfs in his back pocket..  until he didn't.   

Rick opted for save-my-job over taking a stand with ownership over Zim's crap behavior.  He got fired in part due to the deterioration of the relationship with Zimmer.  He should have been blunt and let the chips fall but he did what he loved best-b.s. ownership and play politics, and in the end he lost the job anyway.

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@comet52 said:

@mgobluevikes said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@JR44 said:
It makes me wonder about Spielman and if he really deserved to go, if this is the way Zimmer communicated could you blame Spielman for not talking to him and how much was he to blame for the culture of the team.  The initial rumors were that Zimmer would go, but Spielman would stay.

It was Spielmans job to never let it get that far.  If he was worthy of the top job he would have shut that shit down 3 years ago.

Unless the clueless Wilfs bought  into the Tuna's BS that Zimmer wasn't the problem, until he clearly was.

I think that was the main problem for Rick.  Zim was always real smug about his job security when the subject came up in the media.  He was Parcells' boy and Parcells had the Wilfs in his back pocket..  until he didn't.   

Rick opted for save-my-job over taking a stand with ownership over Zim's crap behavior.  He got fired in part due to the deterioration of the relationship with Zimmer.  He should have been blunt and let the chips fall but he did what he loved best-b.s. ownership and play politics, and in the end he lost the job anyway.

Thats how I would have played it,  by staying silent and putting on a good face he ends up looking like a pussy that was afraid to rock the boat. 

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@Wetlander said:
We all knew Zimmer had an old school attitude towards injuries, but if his interactions change cuz a guy is hurt...  That's a bunch of crap. Glad we got Kevin O'Connell. The more that comes out, the better this move looks.

Yes, I am slowly coming around on that.  Seems odd because he had a rep as a guy players loved to play for.  But perhaps the HC gig wasn't good for him.

I will say, this is one side of the story and we have seen some lax attitude from Dantzler that PP called him out for.  So perhaps it had something with too much swagger and not enough preparation.  But more and more, it shows a really bad side of Zim.

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@greediron said:

@Wetlander said:
We all knew Zimmer had an old school attitude towards injuries, but if his interactions change cuz a guy is hurt...  That's a bunch of crap. Glad we got Kevin O'Connell. The more that comes out, the better this move looks.

Yes, I am slowly coming around on that.  Seems odd because he had a rep as a guy players loved to play for.  But perhaps the HC gig wasn't good for him.

I will say, this is one side of the story and we have seen some lax attitude from Dantzler that PP called him out for.  So perhaps it had something with too much swagger and not enough preparation.  But more and more, it shows a really bad side of Zim.

If this was the first and last we had heard about this I would agree with you. But Dantzler isnt the first to go public and he probably wont be the last.