Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
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@ supafreak84 said:
I don't know if it's our corners not being good, or are they just following the game plan and losing something in the details? It's literally pitch and catch out there with zero resistance. Booth hopefully comes back soon but he was dinged up in college and now dinged up as a pro...so who knows on him. Right now this defense has given up a 69.4% percent completion percentage and is tied for the highest average yards per pass completion in the league. Donatell sucks and so does the 3-4
This is the second time Dantzler appears to be lost in coverage and then half-ass it in pursuit. I doubt Donatell suddenly lost his mind, but appears to be compensating for the fact that Dantzler sucks and PP is getting long in the tooth.
It's a scheme issue. Was Dantzler supposed to peel off, cover Kendricks guy, and leave Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field? I don't think Dantzler is the shapest tool in the shed after witnessing the St Brown play last season, but I don't see this particular play being his fault. Also would it not have made more sense to have Kendricks covering Hockenson and Dantzler covering Josh Reynolds on that play? Kendricks against any wide receiver is a huge mismatch in favor of the offense and we saw that on this play.
Ah, Dantlzer is the CB, so will usually start on the outside right. EK is in the middle as an LB and covers the slot crosser. It looks like EK hands off the crosser and Dantzler looks confused. The safety seems to be picking up Hockenson and EK goes to cover the QB. Since 2 players are doing one thing and Dantzler is the one doing something else, I would wager Dantzler is wrong here.
Then he half asses it, expecting someone else to pick up his slack.
I still think its a scheme issue and the talk was about all the great flexibility that moving to a 3-4 defense would allow us. If teams are able to create match up issues pre snap, such as Kendricks on a WR, then adjustments need to be made because we are going to lose that match up 9 times out of 10. If Dantzler peels off that leaves Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field with Montellus playing about 7 yards off him. Pitch and catch on 4th and 2.
stop it at :03, Mettellus is 4 yards off and coming downhill. Z has already forced Goff off his throw. Kendricks is passing of the WR after having good coverage thru his zone.
Looks like great design. Mettelus leaves Hockenson because Dantzler is confused and he can see the throw going outside.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I don't know if it's our corners not being good, or are they just following the game plan and losing something in the details? It's literally pitch and catch out there with zero resistance. Booth hopefully comes back soon but he was dinged up in college and now dinged up as a pro...so who knows on him. Right now this defense has given up a 69.4% percent completion percentage and is tied for the highest average yards per pass completion in the league. Donatell sucks and so does the 3-4
This is the second time Dantzler appears to be lost in coverage and then half-ass it in pursuit. I doubt Donatell suddenly lost his mind, but appears to be compensating for the fact that Dantzler sucks and PP is getting long in the tooth.
It's a scheme issue. Was Dantzler supposed to peel off, cover Kendricks guy, and leave Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field? I don't think Dantzler is the shapest tool in the shed after witnessing the St Brown play last season, but I don't see this particular play being his fault. Also would it not have made more sense to have Kendricks covering Hockenson and Dantzler covering Josh Reynolds on that play? Kendricks against any wide receiver is a huge mismatch in favor of the offense and we saw that on this play.
Ah, Dantlzer is the CB, so will usually start on the outside right. EK is in the middle as an LB and covers the slot crosser. It looks like EK hands off the crosser and Dantzler looks confused. The safety seems to be picking up Hockenson and EK goes to cover the QB. Since 2 players are doing one thing and Dantzler is the one doing something else, I would wager Dantzler is wrong here.
Then he half asses it, expecting someone else to pick up his slack.
I still think its a scheme issue and the talk was about all the great flexibility that moving to a 3-4 defense would allow us. If teams are able to create match up issues pre snap, such as Kendricks on a WR, then adjustments need to be made because we are going to lose that match up 9 times out of 10. If Dantzler peels off that leaves Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field with Montellus playing about 7 yards off him. Pitch and catch on 4th and 2.
stop it at :03, Mettellus is 4 yards off and coming downhill. Z has already forced Goff off his throw. Kendricks is passing of the WR after having good coverage thru his zone.
Looks like great design. Mettelus leaves Hockenson because Dantzler is confused and he can see the throw going outside.
If you pause the video half way through when Goff is releasing the ball, Matellus is 8 yards off him. I literally counted. So it was either going to be a catch for Reynolds or Hockenson for the first down. I don't fault Dantzler, I fault the scheme and Donatells personal in that situation which put us in an unfavorable disadvantage due to matchups. Again he hasn't changed things up at all defensively. It's soft shell zone and hope the edges get home before the quarterback finds the holes in the zone
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I don't know if it's our corners not being good, or are they just following the game plan and losing something in the details? It's literally pitch and catch out there with zero resistance. Booth hopefully comes back soon but he was dinged up in college and now dinged up as a pro...so who knows on him. Right now this defense has given up a 69.4% percent completion percentage and is tied for the highest average yards per pass completion in the league. Donatell sucks and so does the 3-4
This is the second time Dantzler appears to be lost in coverage and then half-ass it in pursuit. I doubt Donatell suddenly lost his mind, but appears to be compensating for the fact that Dantzler sucks and PP is getting long in the tooth.
It's a scheme issue. Was Dantzler supposed to peel off, cover Kendricks guy, and leave Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field? I don't think Dantzler is the shapest tool in the shed after witnessing the St Brown play last season, but I don't see this particular play being his fault. Also would it not have made more sense to have Kendricks covering Hockenson and Dantzler covering Josh Reynolds on that play? Kendricks against any wide receiver is a huge mismatch in favor of the offense and we saw that on this play.
Ah, Dantlzer is the CB, so will usually start on the outside right. EK is in the middle as an LB and covers the slot crosser. It looks like EK hands off the crosser and Dantzler looks confused. The safety seems to be picking up Hockenson and EK goes to cover the QB. Since 2 players are doing one thing and Dantzler is the one doing something else, I would wager Dantzler is wrong here.
Then he half asses it, expecting someone else to pick up his slack.
I still think its a scheme issue and the talk was about all the great flexibility that moving to a 3-4 defense would allow us. If teams are able to create match up issues pre snap, such as Kendricks on a WR, then adjustments need to be made because we are going to lose that match up 9 times out of 10. If Dantzler peels off that leaves Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field with Montellus playing about 7 yards off him. Pitch and catch on 4th and 2.
stop it at :03, Mettellus is 4 yards off and coming downhill. Z has already forced Goff off his throw. Kendricks is passing of the WR after having good coverage thru his zone.
Looks like great design. Mettelus leaves Hockenson because Dantzler is confused and he can see the throw going outside.
If you pause the video half way through when Goff is releasing the ball, Matellus is 8 yards off him. I literally counted. So it was either going to be a catch for Reynolds or Hockenson for the first down. I don't fault Dantzler, I fault the scheme and Donatells personal in that situation which put us in an unfavorable disadvantage due to matchups. Again he hasn't changed things up at all defensively. It's soft shell zone and hope the edges get home before the quarterback finds the holes in the zone
If you pause it at :04, goff is already throwing to the WR, not back to the right after rolling left (which would be nearly impossible).
Dantzler is still standing near Hockenson and Metellus is heading out to save a TD as he sees where Goff is throwing. I get you like Dantzler, but he sucks at this point. Missing his assignments, (remember Detroit game last year?) and then half assing in pursuit.
Even esteemed film buff Nick Olson can read that one.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
I don't know if it's our corners not being good, or are they just following the game plan and losing something in the details? It's literally pitch and catch out there with zero resistance. Booth hopefully comes back soon but he was dinged up in college and now dinged up as a pro...so who knows on him. Right now this defense has given up a 69.4% percent completion percentage and is tied for the highest average yards per pass completion in the league. Donatell sucks and so does the 3-4
This is the second time Dantzler appears to be lost in coverage and then half-ass it in pursuit. I doubt Donatell suddenly lost his mind, but appears to be compensating for the fact that Dantzler sucks and PP is getting long in the tooth.
It's a scheme issue. Was Dantzler supposed to peel off, cover Kendricks guy, and leave Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field? I don't think Dantzler is the shapest tool in the shed after witnessing the St Brown play last season, but I don't see this particular play being his fault. Also would it not have made more sense to have Kendricks covering Hockenson and Dantzler covering Josh Reynolds on that play? Kendricks against any wide receiver is a huge mismatch in favor of the offense and we saw that on this play.
Ah, Dantlzer is the CB, so will usually start on the outside right. EK is in the middle as an LB and covers the slot crosser. It looks like EK hands off the crosser and Dantzler looks confused. The safety seems to be picking up Hockenson and EK goes to cover the QB. Since 2 players are doing one thing and Dantzler is the one doing something else, I would wager Dantzler is wrong here.
Then he half asses it, expecting someone else to pick up his slack.
I still think its a scheme issue and the talk was about all the great flexibility that moving to a 3-4 defense would allow us. If teams are able to create match up issues pre snap, such as Kendricks on a WR, then adjustments need to be made because we are going to lose that match up 9 times out of 10. If Dantzler peels off that leaves Hockenson wide open in the middle of the field with Montellus playing about 7 yards off him. Pitch and catch on 4th and 2.
stop it at :03, Mettellus is 4 yards off and coming downhill. Z has already forced Goff off his throw. Kendricks is passing of the WR after having good coverage thru his zone.
Looks like great design. Mettelus leaves Hockenson because Dantzler is confused and he can see the throw going outside.
If you pause the video half way through when Goff is releasing the ball, Matellus is 8 yards off him. I literally counted. So it was either going to be a catch for Reynolds or Hockenson for the first down. I don't fault Dantzler, I fault the scheme and Donatells personal in that situation which put us in an unfavorable disadvantage due to matchups. Again he hasn't changed things up at all defensively. It's soft shell zone and hope the edges get home before the quarterback finds the holes in the zone
If you pause it at :04, goff is already throwing to the WR, not back to the right after rolling left (which would be nearly impossible).
Dantzler is still standing near Hockenson and Metellus is heading out to save a TD as he sees where Goff is throwing. I get you like Dantzler, but he sucks at this point. Missing his assignments, (remember Detroit game last year?) and then half assing in pursuit.
You can break it down to any micro second you want. Even if Dantzler blew the assignment and should have peeled off to Reynolds that was still likely going to result in a Detroit first down. And I've been as critical of Dantzler as anybody and even referenced last years Detroit game, but this soft zone is bullshit as evidenced by the almost 70% completion percentage against us and leading the league in longest average yards per completion. I don't believe that to be the result of blown coverages or a lack of secondary talent
They are playing extremely confused. Inconsistent. I think its the new scheme. Their play has definitely not been good, maybe they are still learning? Or maybe they just suck.
I've seen plenty of bad plays from our corners, but also our linebackers in coverage and the confusion in the space between. Seems like that is where we're getting hurt most often.
But then you'll see a spectacular flash from Hicks or Kendricks or Dantzler, even Peterson. The inconsistency leads me to believe it's mostly due to the newness of the scheme. The confusion. Offenses know this and are attacking where we're the most vulnerable.
The pass rush has been lacking in key moments which hasn't helped the secondary.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
They are playing extremely confused. Inconsistent. I think its the new scheme. Their play has definitely not been good, maybe they are still learning? Or maybe they just suck.
Way to take a stance there Sticky. :p
Not a fan of the scheme either, that soft zone let Philly have their way marching up and down the field. But I am becoming convinced the soft shell is to protect our DBs. PP is old and slow, Dantzler has talent but is a bonehead that can't be trusted.
I will go back to my position on Zimmer the last two years, calling a D without decent corner play is about impossible. And without consistent pressure from the front 4, that makes it doubly impossible. Consider the horrors that was our D at the end of halves when teams would go into hurry up. You need pressure and good corner play when a team is in hurry up mode. We couldn't cover and couldn't get pressure, so teams could just do what they wanted.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
They are playing extremely confused. Inconsistent. I think its the new scheme. Their play has definitely not been good, maybe they are still learning? Or maybe they just suck.
Way to take a stance there Sticky. :p
Yeah, not so much a stance as I really don't know which one it is. I think it might be a smidge too early to say the secondary sucks.
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