Quote: @purplefaithful said:
This whole draft right now has poor optics (to say the least) and feels like a whole lot of missed opportunities. If the players pan-out? then thats awesome.
And like you say MB, those missed opportunities could follow this team next year.
Where is Kentis' train off the bridge gif right about now?
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Train’s running late, Kwesi traded away the engineer… 
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old.
It wasn't too high for a Safety at 12. Kyle Hamilton was regarded as a blue chip player, the top player at his position, and also some draft evaluators thought he was one of the top 5 players in the entire draft. The Ravens took him at 14 so no one would have batted an eye if the Vikings took him at 12.
They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.
Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us... but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12. Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Vikergirl said:
We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old.
Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us... but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12. Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.
This. But again, its all about how this group pans out....or doesn't.
A bit lost in the conversation - we are already down 4th and 7th rounders for 2023.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Vikergirl said:
We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old.
It wasn't too high for a Safety at 12. Kyle Hamilton was regarded as a blue chip player, the top player at his position, and also some draft evaluators thought he was one of the top 5 players in the entire draft. The Ravens took him at 14 so no one would have batted an eye if the Vikings took him at 12.
They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.
Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us... but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12. Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.
Too high according to their board and plan. They were looking for a lot of needs and holes to fill. There will always be the what if they didn't move factor but they made their choices and followed their plan. Time will tell how it works out.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Vikergirl said:
We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old.
It wasn't too high for a Safety at 12. Kyle Hamilton was regarded as a blue chip player, the top player at his position, and also some draft evaluators thought he was one of the top 5 players in the entire draft. The Ravens took him at 14 so no one would have batted an eye if the Vikings took him at 12.
They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.
Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us... but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12. Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.
Too high according to their board and plan. They were looking for a lot of needs and holes to fill. There will always be the what if they didn't move factor but they made their choices and followed their plan. Time will tell how it works out.
I think most of us were waiting for the draft to see just what "the plan" was and most of us found "the plan" to be confusing, nonsensical, and lacking a general understanding of draft value.
I think that the Lions MIGHT have been able to trade with a different team if the Vikings refused. Maybe.
The issue for me is taking a safety that is faster but significantly smaller. Cine is good and has some hits on tape but I worry about his shoulders if he wants to continue to lay the wood.
Hamilton is the real deal. People say he is slow but he ran a 4.59 and he is 20 pounds heavier than Cine. He had a higher vertical jump by 1 1/2" and a lower broad ump by 2". But Hamilton ran a ridiculous 6.90 3 cone and a 4.32 short shuttle. Cine did not run these tests. Why?
If the Vikings would have refused the Lions because they did not get enough of a premium (they didn't IMHO) they could have taken Hamilton. In the second they could have traded up for Booth who was there at 42.
If they got Dean or Chenal or Tindall in the 3rd most would say slam dunk no?
But they ended up getting Ingram out of the trade and a 4th which they negated by trading away next year's 4th. But they got an extra 5th, lost a 6th, and moved up in the 7th.
Time will tell but Cine is very similar to Tarvarious Moore in Cine and kind of like Justin Reid to me.
Hamilton is a bigger Harrison Smith.
Is Harrison Smith too slow?
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old.
Why is 12 to high for a safety? That is old mentality, if you have a chance to grab a player at 12 that was top 5 on many draft boards, you do it regardless of position, especially considering where Smith is at in his career.
The players that ended up being taken by Detroit and gbay are immaterial, its the fact that we traded in the division and did not get even fair value. We gave them the opportunity to improve their rosters and lost value as a result of it when it came to improving our own roster.
Its not new school old school, its new kid got taken to school.
The ultimate picks taken are what remains to play out, the decision to take that trade with that particular team is already graded. So what the lions had other teams they could have traded with, we still would have had a higher graded player than what we ended up with and it will never be known if they really would have ended up getting their guy.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
They also saved 7 million by trading back in the first.
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/charley...00592.html
That is a take away? We couldn't take better prospects because we needed to save money? Thats a bad reason to trade down imo and its sounds like something a failed philosophy would embrace in an effort to find a silver lining.
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