Rooney rule to change

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@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

No. He accidently visited a neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. Evidently that qualifies you as a race relations expert! 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

Well, I guess technically sexist and ageist?, but let's not kid each other.  If you're culpable of discriminating in hiring for those areas, you're likely to be racist as well.  Just a hunch.

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@jargomcfargo said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

No. He accidently visited a neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. Evidently that qualifies you as a race relations expert! 

I'm going to make a presumption that I've dealt with far more diverse of a crew in friends, family, and environment than 90% of the people on here, but at least you can make a joke. lol

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@Waterboy said:

@jargomcfargo said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

No. He accidently visited a neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. Evidently that qualifies you as a race relations expert! 

I'm going to make a presumption that I've dealt with far more diverse of a crew in friends, family, and environment than 90% of the people on here, but at least you can make a joke. lol

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I just think it's important to point out that the majority of people that preach on these topics tend to either be guilty of what they're accusing others of or woefully ignorant about the topic.  See AOC.  5% of the people agree with her, but she's driving an outsized portion of the agenda because she just cries racism every time she's challenged.  It's hard to imagine a more racist and immoral person that Ihlan Omar, yet she receives nonstop airtime even as she marries her brother, castigates Jews and Whites, and commits fraud of all kinds.  Yet, we're supposed to endorse her views and the laws that she'd like to pass??   Same line of thinking as some posters in this thread, only more extreme.

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@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

Well, I guess technically sexist and ageist?, but let's not kid each other.  If you're culpable of discriminating in hiring for those areas, you're likely to be racist as well.  Just a hunch.

K

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@Waterboy said:

@jargomcfargo said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

No. He accidently visited a neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. Evidently that qualifies you as a race relations expert! 

I'm going to make a presumption that I've dealt with far more diverse of a crew in friends, family, and environment than 90% of the people on here, but at least you can make a joke. lol

Yeah, but can you throw a football over them mountains?

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@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@jargomcfargo said:

@MaroonBells said:

@Waterboy said:

@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others.  LOL

Racist? 

No. He accidently visited a neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. Evidently that qualifies you as a race relations expert! 

I'm going to make a presumption that I've dealt with far more diverse of a crew in friends, family, and environment than 90% of the people on here, but at least you can make a joke. lol

Yeah, but can you throw a football over them mountains?

Umm, okay.  Great response.  Lol

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@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@AGRforever said:

@MaroonBells said:

@supafreak84 said:

@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? 

It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.

I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment. 

People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions. 

Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since. 

What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors. 

Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.  

Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from?  Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?

Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position. 

Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL. 

and how were those qualifications established?  arent those in themselves a bias towards somebody that doesnt have a certain degree,  or has the degree but is lacking experience?  sounds like bias to me.

and yes that was exactly what i was trying to equate it too.