Rooney rule to change

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3361...lude-women

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I like it. I don't care what anyone says about whaa whaa they didn't play football. Good for making a positive change. Breaking down barriers is good. 

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Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

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@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

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So women are equal to men,  and should be given equal opportunity and treatment, (as they should)  but when a man competes as a woman and dominates, the affected women cry foul. ( as they should)  crazy world we live in now.

Curios though,  where are these women getting their coaching experience?  If they don't play the game, or grow up in the game,   where are they going to get the working experience ( not just knowledge) to actually be the equal to somebody who has that experience?  How do you hire a candidate with little to no working experience in a sport to fill a high level position?  I am not saying women don't know the game,  I am saying that there are almost no women out there with experience coaching football at any level, let alone the top level.

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There's no requirement to interview women.  They have to hire from the pool of minorities, of which women are now included.  So in practicality, there's probably not going to be much difference given the small pool of women coaches, but if you do interview a woman, you just have to interview one less person based on race or skin color.

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@StickyBun said:

@supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community. 

Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt. 

Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot. 

What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today? People keep talking like this is 1962 and not 2022. The NFL has changed. Owners are going to hire and employ anybody they think can get them a Super Bowl regardless of skin color, gender, or anything. See the recent DeSean Watson contract as example A. 

I think forcing teams to hire certain individuals for these positions is ridiculous. Those individuals will wonder if they are there on merit, or simply because they fit the profile of what the NFL is telling teams they have to hire. If I'm some poor white guy coach who has paid his dues and am passed over for a job because I'm not the right race or gender, then how fair is that!? That is actual racism is sexism at its core. This is all about the woke NFL trying to once again prove how progressive they are when actuality this is going to be another situation that does nothing except allows them to check a box. 

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@medaille said:
There's no requirement to interview women.  They have to hire from the pool of minorities, of which women are now included.  So in practicality, there's probably not going to be much difference given the small pool of women coaches, but if you do interview a woman, you just have to interview one less person based on race or skin color.

Forgive me for not reading the article lol......teams are "forced" to hire from the pool of minorities?
Isn't that the definition of the token black guy?

edit....no shit.  They have to hire someone for the color of their skin.  So in the 2040's when white people are no longer the majority, do we qualify for all these minority programs?

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Yes, us poor white males. We've got it rough. And have historically. When will it be our turn?

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@StickyBun said:
Yes, us poor white males. We've got it rough. And have historically. When will it be our turn?

Hell, there's already more women then men.  We are already a minority.