Quote: @purplefaithful said:
I'm far from a draftnik, but I am not convinced the little guy from Wash is worthy of 12 overall...To Geoff's point would we be better of going Dl #1 and DB at rd 2 without a big drop-off in talent/upside.
This would be a fascinating year to see how they stack the DBs vs DL
McDuffie has short arms. But at 5-11, 195, I wouldn't call him a little guy. 5-11 is the exact average height for NFL cornerbacks. There does seem to be some disagreement on him, though, with some ranking him late in the 1st, while others have him top 10. I think as we get closer you'll see all those late-1st folks move him up with the others.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Its quite likely that I’d need a new TV if we went WR.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Its quite likely that I’d need a new TV if we went WR.
I'll bet we could find a similar quote somewhere in Dan Hildreth's Olde Viking board from 98 too...
yah, yah I know Moss ended up a HOF'er and wasn't drafted till like 21 - but you get the point.
Moss/Carter/Reid reignited a sleepy Vikings franchise for the next 6/7 years.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Its quite likely that I’d need a new TV if we went WR.
I'll bet we could find a similar quote somewhere in Dan Hildreth's Olde Viking board from 98 too...
yah, yah I know Moss ended up a HOF'er and wasn't drafted till like 21 - but you get the point.
Moss/Carter/Reid reignited a sleepy Vikings franchise for the next 6/7 years.
People use Moss as a defense for BPA. But Moss was an outlier--a team taking advantage of a big mistake the NFL was making. Typically, the players you're choosing from are very closely ranked regardless of their position, so you draft the position you need the most. BPA is mostly a myth outside of the top 5-ish.
So yeah, if Aidan Hutchinson drops to 12, I will not argue against taking him. B)
I get it Maroon...I'm not getting very excited about a DB #1 again but openly acknowledge the need.
Sauce will most likely be gone, Stingley will be for sure if some team or teams clear him medically. So that leaves the Washington kid @ 12.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Its quite likely that I’d need a new TV if we went WR.
I'll bet we could find a similar quote somewhere in Dan Hildreth's Olde Viking board from 98 too...
yah, yah I know Moss ended up a HOF'er and wasn't drafted till like 21 - but you get the point.
Moss/Carter/Reid reignited a sleepy Vikings franchise for the next 6/7 years.
People use Moss as a defense for BPA. But Moss was an outlier--a team taking advantage of a big mistake the NFL was making. Typically, the players you're choosing from are very closely ranked regardless of their position, so you draft the position you need the most. BPA is mostly a myth outside of the top 5-ish.
So yeah, if Aidan Hutchinson drops to 12, I will not argue against taking him. B)
More realistically, if Kyle Hamilton drops to #12.. Although unlikely its a scenario that could play out.
At that point you need to ask positional value aside, does he make the secondary better? Yes. Take a potential all pro.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I'm far from a draftnik, but I am not convinced the little guy from Wash is worthy of 12 overall...To Geoff's point would we be better of going Dl #1 and DB at rd 2 without a big drop-off in talent/upside.
This would be a fascinating year to see how they stack the DBs vs DL
McDuffie has short arms. But at 5-11, 195, I wouldn't call him a little guy. 5-11 is the exact average height for NFL cornerbacks. There does seem to be some disagreement on him, though, with some ranking him late in the 1st, while others have him top 10. I think as we get closer you'll see all those late-1st folks move him up with the others.
McDuffie came into the process as CB4 or CB5 but Booth has dropped out of the top 3 due to his injuries. Elam is only going to appeal to some teams. So naturally that led to McDuffie moving up the board. Where that leaves him is probably determined on where Sauce comes off the board and Stingley's medicals.
If Sauce goes in the top 6 then McDuffie will go in the top 15. If Sauce falls down in the 10-12 range then McDuffie likely ends up in the late teens / early 20's.
By odds I would stay his ADP is somewhere close to 15-16. So you could see it deviate a few picks either way from there.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Nice work. I like the Deshon Elliot idea. We're all just assuming that Bynum is going to be the kind of player he flashed in glimpses last year. I hope so. But even if he is, Harry is 33.
I don't think we want to add even more youth and inexperience onto the NFL's youngest line. Fill RG with a vet, a journeyman to compete with Wyatt Davis. But, y'know, someone with knees. Then draft the best CB available between Mac Junior and Sauce. One will certainly be there.
There are just four premium positions in the NFL and corner is one of them. Don't overthink this. Draft the goddamn corner. Edge is an option only if we sign an under-30, UFA starting outside corner in free agency. But even then, the edge you draft is going to spend a lot of time on the bench. That bang falls short of the buck for a win-now team.
There are not too many under 30 corners remaining in free agency that are good though. Is Kevin King good enough? I think that with Dantzler being 24 and Sullivan being 26 when the season starts, having one experienced veteran corner is not the worst thing.
I also do not think that a first round corner is a necessity. Drafting for need is the worst philosophy IMHO. That is how the team got Bradbury and Treadwell. It also got them Jefferson though.
I thin Gardner is OK but he faced hardly any draft-able receivers. He did face Alabama but who else did he face that got or is getting drafted?
Stingley has the tools but missed a lot of time.
I never pigeonhole myself into one position for any draft.
And to that very point, wouldn't the Vikings be awfully tempted if Olave, Wilson, Burks @ WR were there at 12?
I've been saying that depending on how the board falls...I could see us going with a WR. We are going to be employing more multiple WR sets under KOC and Thielen is 32, has missed games due to injury the last couple years, and his stats are way down. It's probably going to be his last year in Minnesota. I'm not sold on Osborne as a starting or full time outside WR and our depth is paper thin. Look at what Jamar Chase did for that Bengals offense coming in as a 3rd WR. I'd take one of those receivers before I'd take any CB not named Sauce or Stingley.
Its quite likely that I’d need a new TV if we went WR.
I'll bet we could find a similar quote somewhere in Dan Hildreth's Olde Viking board from 98 too...
yah, yah I know Moss ended up a HOF'er and wasn't drafted till like 21 - but you get the point.
Moss/Carter/Reid reignited a sleepy Vikings franchise for the next 6/7 years.
People use Moss as a defense for BPA. But Moss was an outlier--a team taking advantage of a big mistake the NFL was making. Typically, the players you're choosing from are very closely ranked regardless of their position, so you draft the position you need the most. BPA is mostly a myth outside of the top 5-ish.
So yeah, if Aidan Hutchinson drops to 12, I will not argue against taking him. B)
More realistically, if Kyle Hamilton drops to #12.. Although unlikely its a scenario that could play out.
At that point you need to ask positional value aside, does he make the secondary better? Yes. Take a potential all pro.
I've been wondering about Hamilton potentially dropping based on his position and slower then expected 40 time, and although not a huge need, the Vikings would almost have to take him. I'm a believer in never taking a safety in the 1st round unless it's a Sean Taylor talent. Hamilton isn't Sean Taylor...but he isn't that far off either. That would be an interesting situation if he dropped that far.
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