Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
This is what, the third straight year we have had offseason struggles with Danielle and his contract? News that his agent is being unreasonable and his upset about losing Dre. Trade him then as the dude does not wanna be in Minnesota and he’s already benefitted enough the last two years without hardly playing. Get a great return, draft one of these DE’s early and let’s move on
But it's the exact same with your boy Cousins, and we'll be dealing with his contract shit again next offseason with no long term solution in play. Hard to believe that we continue to let Cousins bend us over a barrel with his contract at the expense of losing guys like Hunter, who we can't find the money to pay. Hunter is 27, had more sacks before the age of 25 then anybody in NFL history, had 6 sacks in seven games last season before tearing his pec. He's a freak and an elite pass rusher. The injuries the last two seasons have been unfortunate weird injuries. I absolutely do not think he's "injury prone" because he's been fine the 5 years prior. Huge mistake trading Hunter so they could pay and extend Kirk for one more season
You're not obsessed? This thread is about Hunter. First thing you bring up is Cousins.
Only as it relates to the team choosing to continue re-signing Cousins to big money on short term extensions at the expense of losing or having to move other players such as Hunter. I'm not in the camp that believes thats in the best interest of the team and will never be in that camp. Hunter is still only 27 and elite when healthy. I'd rather gamble on Hunter's health and pay him over ever believing Cousins will be elite and continuing to pay him.
Your premise is correct only if Cousins' contract led to the unexpected loss of Hunter. I'd say it's a huge leap in logic to make that case.
Yes and considering they were the two biggest domino's to figure out from a cap standpoint its a reasonable assumption to conclude if they weren't paying and extending Cousins they'd have more flexibility in retaining Hunter.
Wrong. Kirk’s contract has nothing to do with Hunter long term. Vikes have $40MM of space in 2023 as of right now and thats before any restructures. Also, Hunter is on the cap for $8MM in 2023 so unless hes getting $30MM of new money next year itd be no problem
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
This is what, the third straight year we have had offseason struggles with Danielle and his contract? News that his agent is being unreasonable and his upset about losing Dre. Trade him then as the dude does not wanna be in Minnesota and he’s already benefitted enough the last two years without hardly playing. Get a great return, draft one of these DE’s early and let’s move on
But it's the exact same with your boy Cousins, and we'll be dealing with his contract shit again next offseason with no long term solution in play. Hard to believe that we continue to let Cousins bend us over a barrel with his contract at the expense of losing guys like Hunter, who we can't find the money to pay. Hunter is 27, had more sacks before the age of 25 then anybody in NFL history, had 6 sacks in seven games last season before tearing his pec. He's a freak and an elite pass rusher. The injuries the last two seasons have been unfortunate weird injuries. I absolutely do not think he's "injury prone" because he's been fine the 5 years prior. Huge mistake trading Hunter so they could pay and extend Kirk for one more season
You're not obsessed? This thread is about Hunter. First thing you bring up is Cousins.
Only as it relates to the team choosing to continue re-signing Cousins to big money on short term extensions at the expense of losing or having to move other players such as Hunter. I'm not in the camp that believes thats in the best interest of the team and will never be in that camp. Hunter is still only 27 and elite when healthy. I'd rather gamble on Hunter's health and pay him over ever believing Cousins will be elite and continuing to pay him.
Your premise is correct only if Cousins' contract led to the unexpected loss of Hunter. I'd say it's a huge leap in logic to make that case.
Yes and considering they were the two biggest domino's to figure out from a cap standpoint its a reasonable assumption to conclude if they weren't paying and extending Cousins they'd have more flexibility in retaining Hunter.
one should have nothing to do with the other and IMO they dont. Neither should be getting paid what they got/want, but for different reason. IMO Cousins is overpaid and in Hunters case his health concerns dont warrant a top dollar guaranteed deal. The team could afford both, but just like with cousins deal, anytime you over pay and dont get what you pay for, its going to cost you in other areas. the team needs to get off the over paying for any position and get to a point where they have a more balanced skill level across the board and pay them accordingly, and they need to recognize the players that arent going to work with the team and move them a year early so they can get something in return instead of just potential compensatory picks.
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
I saw a stat yesterday that stated that Kirk Cousins has been the highest paid (avg) QB in the league over the last 5 seasons (since 2016) do you think that makes sense? that, while he is a pretty good QB, that his play merits him being the highest earning QB in the league over the last half a decade?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
I saw a stat yesterday that stated that Kirk Cousins has been the highest paid (avg) QB in the league over the last 5 seasons (since 2016) do you think that makes sense? that, while he is a pretty good QB, that his play merits him being the highest earning QB in the league over the last half a decade?
No, that is not logical at all.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
I saw a stat yesterday that stated that Kirk Cousins has been the highest paid (avg) QB in the league over the last 5 seasons (since 2016) do you think that makes sense? that, while he is a pretty good QB, that his play merits him being the highest earning QB in the league over the last half a decade?
No, that is not logical at all.
The NFLPA should have Cousins teach a class on contract negotiation for rookies. For a good, but limited QB he is the king of cashing big checks.
Most 3 and outs in the NFL.
3rd down conversion rate =36.4% Puts them with the likes of the Jets/Giants/Jaguars/Panthers
Im not a Kirk hype man nor huge naysayer but i dont think of great QB or winner with him.
The new regime thinks we can compete with him so I will trust that until I cant trust it.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
I saw a stat yesterday that stated that Kirk Cousins has been the highest paid (avg) QB in the league over the last 5 seasons (since 2016) do you think that makes sense? that, while he is a pretty good QB, that his play merits him being the highest earning QB in the league over the last half a decade?
No, that is not logical at all.
The NFLPA should have Cousins teach a class on contract negotiation for rookies. For a good, but limited QB he is the king of cashing big checks.
Cousins foundation for contracts was created by the previous front office. He is operating under that approach and carried it forward.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Logic: Cousins cleared $14 million in cap room. That makes it easier to sign Hunter not harder.
The other options would at best, made little to no difference in available cap money for Hunter and you’d have no QB. Of course you could have paid the $45 million in cap space on the original contract and gotten rid of him next year. No matter how you sliced it, he was eating up cap this year.
Who are you going to replace Cousins with? Do you have a cheaper top 5 QB rating guy in your pocket? Is he one that is paid at the 6th or 7th highest at the position? If not will you work your wizard skills and conjure one up for us? Can you find us one with no cap cost? That’d be great.
All of your “plans” are not plans. They are a roll of the dice and nothing more. The statistical probability of winning a championship in the NFL drops to near zero once you get rid of an efficient and effective QB. That is proven year after year after year over the decades.
It could be another decade trying to find another top level QB. Like I said, roll of the dice and the odds are statistically quite poor. It would be different if we had had a top draft pick at Quarterback on the bench, but we don’t.
Someday, perhaps one of you will come up with a logical reason to get rid of Cousins, but I’m not holding my breath. Most of you try to peddle the W/L record nonsense. A better description of such an argument might be “stupid”. You try this irrational argument because you have nothing else. The numbers don’t lie.
There is a deeply irrational obsession held by a number of people on this board when it comes to Cousins. It’s a constant regurgitation of absurdity on nearly every post, whether the topic has anything to do with him or not. He is not going anywhere so it’s utterly pointless to continue this nonsense on each and every thread. It’s time to move one, let it go, make your peace with it.
I saw a stat yesterday that stated that Kirk Cousins has been the highest paid (avg) QB in the league over the last 5 seasons (since 2016) do you think that makes sense? that, while he is a pretty good QB, that his play merits him being the highest earning QB in the league over the last half a decade?
No, that is not logical at all.
The NFLPA should have Cousins teach a class on contract negotiation for rookies. For a good, but limited QB he is the king of cashing big checks.
Cousins foundation for contracts was created by the previous front office. He is operating under that approach and carried it forward.
They certainly have. Was hoping to see a different approach by this new front office but it's largely been more of the same.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
I am thinking if they are looking at a trade that Hunter doesn't want to restructure. If that is the case, he has to go. I don't like it but something has got to give.
Hunter does not have to do anything. The Vikings have to pay him 18M in three days. Only way out of it for them is to trade him or restructure his roster bonus. They do not need his permission as he already allowed void years last year. Just like they did with Smith today, a player's permission to do salary cap accounting is unnecessary unless you are adding void years.
It is the Vikings that have to decide. Hunter will get 20M from the Vikings this year at the minimum if he stays and it does not matter who they spread his roster bonus.
The problem with spreading that roster bonus is that they already have restructured him twice.
They would realize very little (if any at all) cap savings next year if they try to move him.
The ideal situation was for them to extend him this year. Take that 18M and make it 35M or something over 5 years. Then, figure out annual salaries.
His injury has given them much pause apparently.
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