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Watson Pleads The 5th
#11
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
He is screwed in the civil lawsuit by pleading the fifth.  Pleading the fifth can't be used against you in a criminal proceeding but it can in a civil case.
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#12
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
He is screwed in the civil lawsuit by pleading the fifth.  Pleading the fifth can't be used against you in a criminal proceeding but it can in a civil case.
All true.  But the grand jury just came back: no indictment.  Looks like the threat of criminal prosecution is done. He would have to testify at the trials of the civil suits and can explain away invoking the 5th as following lawyer's instructions.
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#13
Quote: @dadevike said:
@VikingOracle said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
He is screwed in the civil lawsuit by pleading the fifth.  Pleading the fifth can't be used against you in a criminal proceeding but it can in a civil case.
All true.  But the grand jury just came back: no indictment.  Looks like the threat of criminal prosecution is done. He would have to testify at the trials of the civil suits and can explain away invoking the 5th as following lawyer's instructions.
Except keep in mind that not being indicted by a grand jury does not prevent him being indicted by a future grand jury.  Double jeopardy does not apply to the decision of a grand jury.  Therefore, if he says something incriminating during a civil proceeding, they can bring that evidence to a new grand jury.  Watson is only in the clear if (a) the statute of limitations runs or (b) a criminal jury has be empaneled and he is found not guilty or the prosecution is dropped.
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#14
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
Rape-elsbuger had quite the career. 

Didnt Ray Lewis murder someone? 
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#15
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
Rape-elsbuger had quite the career. 

Didnt Ray Lewis murder someone? 
He most certainly did
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#16
Quote: @dadevike said:
@VikingOracle said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
He is screwed in the civil lawsuit by pleading the fifth.  Pleading the fifth can't be used against you in a criminal proceeding but it can in a civil case.
All true.  But the grand jury just came back: no indictment.  Looks like the threat of criminal prosecution is done. He would have to testify at the trials of the civil suits and can explain away invoking the 5th as following lawyer's instructions.
So he got off, again.
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#17
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
Rape-elsbuger had quite the career. 

Didnt Ray Lewis murder someone? 
Well....sure. But let's be fair. It's not like they took a knee to protest police brutality. 
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#18
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@dadevike said:
@VikingOracle said:
@StickyBun said:
@JustinTime18™ said:
Doogie thinks he is on our radar.
I have to laugh at that. The amount of PR you'd have to do would be monumental and never-ending. A brand new GM and HC are going to take this on....lmao. There is only ONE way it would happen. Only one. He'd have to admit to it all, unequivocally and apologetically and go to some kind of treatment. He'd have to own it, every single day for about 3 months. And there's no way he'll own it because of the civil lawsuits. 
He is screwed in the civil lawsuit by pleading the fifth.  Pleading the fifth can't be used against you in a criminal proceeding but it can in a civil case.
All true.  But the grand jury just came back: no indictment.  Looks like the threat of criminal prosecution is done. He would have to testify at the trials of the civil suits and can explain away invoking the 5th as following lawyer's instructions.
Except keep in mind that not being indicted by a grand jury does not prevent him being indicted by a future grand jury.  Double jeopardy does not apply to the decision of a grand jury.  Therefore, if he says something incriminating during a civil proceeding, they can bring that evidence to a new grand jury.  Watson is only in the clear if (a) the statute of limitations runs or (b) a criminal jury has be empaneled and he is found not guilty or the prosecution is dropped.
I have not read the complaint so I do not know what he actually is accused of doing. Where did he find these masseuse's?  Are they escorts that provide massages?

I don't know enough to comment on if the dude is guilty of liking massages that come with happy endings or not.  He is a sinner.  No doubt.  So am I.

There were two allegations of sexual "assault" which the grand jury did not have enough to let it go to trial.

But there is not much talk about this being a money grab and how all the charges really started to come up after he said he wanted out.  The lawyer for ALL of the women (was it a class action suit) is good friends with the Texans owner.

Something ain't right with all of the women having the same lawyer.  That is quite the coup to be able to get all the women to sign up with one lawyer.

Regardless of all of that, if he is not charged criminally then there really is not much to go on besides "he said, she said".

I'll never forget George Carlin talking about prostitution.

He said "how can it be illegal to pay for something that is perfectly legal to give it away for free".



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#20
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
I have not read the complaint so I do not know what he actually is accused of doing. Where did he find these masseuse's?  Are they escorts that provide massages?

I don't know enough to comment on if the dude is guilty of liking massages that come with happy endings or not.  He is a sinner.  No doubt.  So am I.

There were two allegations of sexual "assault" which the grand jury did not have enough to let it go to trial.

But there is not much talk about this being a money grab and how all the charges really started to come up after he said he wanted out.  The lawyer for ALL of the women (was it a class action suit) is good friends with the Texans owner.

Something ain't right with all of the women having the same lawyer.  That is quite the coup to be able to get all the women to sign up with one lawyer.

Regardless of all of that, if he is not charged criminally then there really is not much to go on besides "he said, she said".

I'll never forget George Carlin talking about prostitution.

He said "how can it be illegal to pay for something that is perfectly legal to give it away for free".



I have been thinking the same way but I also have not really even tried to follow any details about the case.   

Do we know if he was going to rub and tugs and then the women all came out of the woodwork?

Of course, not a great defense in the public (not pubic) eye either way but rub and tugs exist in every major city.


I was educated on rub and tugs about 30 years ago....I did not know or think they even existed until.....

Me and my two friends couldn't decide what to get our 3 wives for a gift - maybe even for Valentine's Day?? - yes we were, and still are, morons.

So we got them gift certificates for a massage parlor.  Well, they all went together and needless to say the women at the counter had no idea what to do when 3 early 20's women walked in for a Massage, too funny.  On one hand (pun intended) our wives were pissed but on the other at least they knew we were just dumb and did't know.

About 5 years later one of us 3 got divorced (not me) and he became a regular at the massage parlor. 

Moral of the story, buy your wife something you can use if things don't work out.  I think that was what DeShaun was thinkingSmile
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