Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...
But he deserves to be in the next tier.
Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.
I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal. Easy to take way less when your wife pulls tens of millions more in annual salary than you.
kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point? if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.
And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.
If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could.
Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make. Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits.
You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family, physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.
Lol, there it is, the starbucks shrink has busted me. Give me a fucking break. If I was really worked up over people getting over paid I wouldn't be a fan of pro sports and certainly wouldn't have spent the many thousands I have over my lifetime to follow my teams.
I could care less what he gets paid, except its a capped league and the more they over pay any 1 player, the less they have to fix other positions.... so if he really wants to say he's here to help the team win, then he will accept an offer that will do just that, ( like Brady) if not then he is just a mercenary doing it for the money and will not ever be the team guy we need at the QB position.
But keep working on the shrink shit its amusing if nothing else.
Swing and a miss. I've worked in mental health since 2003, nothing Starbucks about my college education or licensure. Lol, no jealousy at all on your part. Meanwhile you just gave the epitome of a cranky old man sermon from your front porch.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...
But he deserves to be in the next tier.
Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.
I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal. Easy to take way less when your wife pulls tens of millions more in annual salary than you.
kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point? if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.
And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.
If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could.
Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make. Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits.
You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family, physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.
Lol, there it is, the starbucks shrink has busted me. Give me a fucking break. If I was really worked up over people getting over paid I wouldn't be a fan of pro sports and certainly wouldn't have spent the many thousands I have over my lifetime to follow my teams.
I could care less what he gets paid, except its a capped league and the more they over pay any 1 player, the less they have to fix other positions.... so if he really wants to say he's here to help the team win, then he will accept an offer that will do just that, ( like Brady) if not then he is just a mercenary doing it for the money and will not ever be the team guy we need at the QB position.
But keep working on the shrink shit its amusing if nothing else.
Swing and a miss. I've worked in mental health since 2003, nothing Starbucks about my college education or licensure. Lol, no jealousy at all on your part. Meanwhile you just gave the epitome of a cranky old man sermon from your front porch.
LOL...thanks for the resume, I still hear Starbucks.
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk. I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens. I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.
Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL
Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high.
I would bold Watson and maybe Luck. The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.
I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then. Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.
No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it.
You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it.
See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder: is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet?
Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too.
Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC. Just my gambler's opinion...
Who would you go after?
Ideally Stroud or Young in 2023.
I' d trade Kirk, find a vet to bridge the coming year. I'd tank it for 2022.
So, just take a year off from enjoying the season, or would you just watch and smile with each int, fumble, sack, and loss? Sounds miserable to me.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ comet52 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
I don't want Matt Stafford any more than I want Kirk. I didn't want Trent Dilfer after he won a ring with the Ravens. I want the franchise to find a real franchise qb, the kind of guy who makes you relevant every year, not the guy who if you put the perfect team around him and have a bunch of luck he might win it once in his career.
Hey, you're not asking for much are ya? LOL
Here are all the QBs taken in the 1st round since 2010. There's 39 QBs here. I've bolded the ones I think pass your test. There are five of them. And I'm being nice with a couple, because only 1 of the 39 has won a Super Bowl. So 5 outta 39. That's 12%. We have a 12% chance of finding that guy in the draft. Even in the 1st round. And MOST of these guys are top 10 picks. We likely won't be picking that high.
I would bold Watson and maybe Luck. The team hasn't had that type of guy since Fran, outside of Favre's last good year, the only year since Wilf bought the team where they had a legit shot at a title.
I'm not asking for much in light of a franchise failing to find the right guy for 4 decades and funny, failing to even get to a SB since then. Your saying it's hard to achieve greatness so don't bother trying.
No, I'm saying it's hard to find greatness in the draft. But you can go buy it.
You can't put Luck or Watson in bold. Neither one is even a starter. Not saying they weren't a good draft pick. Just that they aren't currently meeting your criteria. Or helping their teams. There are a hundred reasons QBs fail. Injury, off-field issues are just two of them. But it does (or should) make you appreciate character and durability in a veteran if you can find it.
See how the first 2/3 of the list is unbolded? Only recently did we start to see some success. But it makes you wonder: is the NFL getting better at identifying talent? Or have those picks just not had enough time to fuck up yet?
Herbert, Burrow, Allen and Murray look good now, but Bradford, RGIII, and Cam Newton were all rookies of the year. Teams who drafted Luck, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Goff, Trubisky, and Bridgewater thought they hit paydirt too.
Kirk is not who I would gamble my new career on if I were KAM/KOC. Just my gambler's opinion...
Who would you go after?
Ideally Stroud or Young in 2023.
I' d trade Kirk, find a vet to bridge the coming year. I'd tank it for 2022.
So, just take a year off from enjoying the season, or would you just watch and smile with each int, fumble, sack, and loss? Sounds miserable to me.
Yup. Same people who want to tank will be the same people whining about preseason losses.
I guess the question is would you rather go 8-9 or something similar (likely) with Kirk Cousins tying up the cap again and drafting in the late teens in '23, or would you rather go 6-11 having traded Cousins for
additional draft picks to build the roster and drafting in the top 10 in '23 where we likely land one of the top QB prospects? I'm taking option #2 all day, every day and building this team to compete for the long term and not tying up our cap on a QB that's not an elite guy.
At what point is our record reflective of the horse shit defense? At what point do we look at the history of drafting a QB high is no guarantee for success?
This isn't hard, folks.
Quote: @JustinTime18™ said:
At what point is our record reflective of the horse shit defense? At what point do we look at the history of drafting a QB high is no guarantee for success?
This isn't hard, folks.
Always making excuses for Cousins. If Cousins would have a better at 3rd down conversion rate maybe the Defense wouldn’t have been so gassed.
Plus the coaching staff on both sides of the ball just plain sucked.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
I suspect when they extend KC, his $ will be less than Brady, Mahomes, Allen or Rogers...
But he deserves to be in the next tier.
Brady has been playing for under 29 million...I wish we could get Kirk to see the benefit of that for him.
I'm sure Cousins and every player wished they were married to a supermodel worth $400 million. Alas just Brady, so the comparison is brutal. Easy to take way less when your wife pulls tens of millions more in annual salary than you.
kirk has made 160 million in his career.... does it really fucking matter at that point? if this is about the money for kirk at this point... I think that would make the decision even that much easier to move on from him.
And there it is, the painfully transparent jealous fan whining about "how much is enough" post. He's paid exactly what the market has dictated he be paid. If you arent getting paid what your profession dictates, you may want to take a look at the guy representing you at pay bump time.
If you are getting paid what you're worth. I sure hope you don't have know it alls who've never done your job obsessing about you online. Simply because you're better off financially and can do something they never could.
Simply because you or I will never sniff that amount of money doesn't mean he, or any athlete doesnt deserve every penny they make. Because NCAAF and NFL chew these guys up and spit them out to make insane profits.
You have absolutely no clue what these guys give up. Family, physical and mental health, substance abuse issues among much more. All a direct result of playing a game for your entertainment. I'm sure if you could "play the game for free" you would. Until you've actually played and realize it's not the fantasyland version Joe Sixpack thinks it is.
Lol, there it is, the starbucks shrink has busted me. Give me a fucking break. If I was really worked up over people getting over paid I wouldn't be a fan of pro sports and certainly wouldn't have spent the many thousands I have over my lifetime to follow my teams.
I could care less what he gets paid, except its a capped league and the more they over pay any 1 player, the less they have to fix other positions.... so if he really wants to say he's here to help the team win, then he will accept an offer that will do just that, ( like Brady) if not then he is just a mercenary doing it for the money and will not ever be the team guy we need at the QB position.
But keep working on the shrink shit its amusing if nothing else.
Swing and a miss. I've worked in mental health since 2003, nothing Starbucks about my college education or licensure. Lol, no jealousy at all on your part. Meanwhile you just gave the epitome of a cranky old man sermon from your front porch.
LOL...thanks for the resume, I still hear Starbucks. Jesus, if that constituted a resume the short attention span theatre playing out between your ears is worse than I thought. I mean how many times are you going to ask and have answered the question about Tom Brady taking less money? Here I thought it was jealousy and it's much more likely a TBI or early onset dementia. Best of luck in either case.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
At what point is our record reflective of the horse shit defense? At what point do we look at the history of drafting a QB high is no guarantee for success?
This isn't hard, folks.
Always making excuses for Cousins. If Cousins would have a better at 3rd down conversion rate maybe the Defense wouldn’t have been so gassed.
Plus the coaching staff on both sides of the ball just plain sucked.
This is a good post. Going to provide some 3rd down facts since you brought up the coaching.
Number of 3rd downs with less than 3 yards to gain - 57. Kirk's Rating was 131.5
Number of 3rd downs with 4-6 yards to gain - 52. Kirk's Rating was 96.5
Number of 3rd downs with 7-9 yards to gain - 46. Kirk's Rating was 58.9
Number of 3rd downs with 10+ yards to gain - 72. Kirk's Rating was 126.1
We had 72 freaking plays of 10 yards or more to gain on third down last year and Kirk was MONEY. There most certainly was an issue with play calling as I would put a lot of money out there saying that the best teams didnt have 10+ yards to gain as their most frequent 3rd down. Also, 3rd and 10+ was also the third down in which Kirk threw his most TD passes when compared to the other 3rd down categories.
I'll just leave this here with the fact that the Vikings ranked 26th in the league in successful 3rd down conversions:
Minnesota moved the chains just 83 times on 228 total tries. (Perhaps it's not a surprise that the Vikings also tied with the Texans with 53 total three-and-outs, which was the most among all NFL teams and could have been its own stat to include here).
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