Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said: Signing on with Cousins for five more campaigns is bold, rest assured. He’s a divisive player, so about 20% of the Vikings fanbase would sour on Adofo-Mensah and O’Connell – like instantly – if Cousins was inked for five more hurrahs. Yet, these are fresh eyes and minds on the scene. The Wilfs hired who they considered the best and brightest. If the twosome wants to extend Cousins for a long time – or trade him elsewhere – one should probably afford the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, let's take a FAN poll before making a decision. LOL.
When it comes right down to it, and you weigh the ups and downs of all the options, a long-term extension with void years is probably the best. It allows us to add a few pieces to the defense and compete for a title in '22 and '23. Trade a player for a '23 pick, trade down in '22 for a '23 pick. Do whatever you have to do to maneuver into a high pick in '23. Draft the QB then. If you miss, you still have Cousins. If you hit, Cousins can be traded or voided.
Quit making sense will yah?
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More time with Kirk is more wasted time for the franchise, fool's gold for the new HC/GM, and a potential job killer for both. Don't extend him, don't do it fellers, trade him now while you've got offers and options! There are some potential franchise qb's in the 2023 draft, start positioning for it now. The time to get away with sucking is when you're brand new and the honeymoon is on. You waste another few years with Kirk, there won't likely be more years to waste after that for the HC/GM.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said: Signing on with Cousins for five more campaigns is bold, rest assured. He’s a divisive player, so about 20% of the Vikings fanbase would sour on Adofo-Mensah and O’Connell – like instantly – if Cousins was inked for five more hurrahs. Yet, these are fresh eyes and minds on the scene. The Wilfs hired who they considered the best and brightest. If the twosome wants to extend Cousins for a long time – or trade him elsewhere – one should probably afford the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, let's take a FAN poll before making a decision. LOL.
When it comes right down to it, and you weigh the ups and downs of all the options, a long-term extension with void years is probably the best. It allows us to add a few pieces to the defense and compete for a title in '22 and '23. Trade a player for a '23 pick, trade down in '22 for a '23 pick. Do whatever you have to do to maneuver into a high pick in '23. Draft the QB then. If you miss, you still have Cousins. If you hit, Cousins can be traded or voided.
But if the plan is to draft the QBOTF in the 23 draft, doesn't it make sense to trade KC for picks which will allow you the ammo to move into the top 10 to draft that QB?
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said: Signing on with Cousins for five more campaigns is bold, rest assured. He’s a divisive player, so about 20% of the Vikings fanbase would sour on Adofo-Mensah and O’Connell – like instantly – if Cousins was inked for five more hurrahs. Yet, these are fresh eyes and minds on the scene. The Wilfs hired who they considered the best and brightest. If the twosome wants to extend Cousins for a long time – or trade him elsewhere – one should probably afford the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, let's take a FAN poll before making a decision. LOL.
When it comes right down to it, and you weigh the ups and downs of all the options, a long-term extension with void years is probably the best. It allows us to add a few pieces to the defense and compete for a title in '22 and '23. Trade a player for a '23 pick, trade down in '22 for a '23 pick. Do whatever you have to do to maneuver into a high pick in '23. Draft the QB then. If you miss, you still have Cousins. If you hit, Cousins can be traded or voided.
But if the plan is to draft the QBOTF in the 23 draft, doesn't it make sense to trade KC for picks which will allow you the ammo to move into the top 10 to draft that QB?
I'd also be really curious to hear the new regime's thoughts on Mond. That might have some bearing on the direction they take this offseason as well. It's really too bad that Zimmer wouldn't play him at the end of the season, either in GB or at home against Chicago. It's not like that last game really had any bearing on his job status after they were destroyed in GB with Mannion.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
Teams that Cousins has been the starter for have made the playoffs 2 times in 7 years and never consecutively. But there are always excuses.
The offensive line, the defense, the coaching, the scheme, etc.
At the end of the day, the playoff appearances is on his resume forever.
It would be asinine for the current regime to invest multiple additional years in this dude that for one reason or another, doesn't get his team to the playoffs.
Matthew Stafford made the playoffs three times in his first12 years. The Stafford "excuses" as you put it were coaching, defense, oline, and scheme. Amazing what happened when he went to a team that paid attention to the OL, put him in a position scheme wise to win and had a good defense.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
Matthew Stafford made the playoffs three times in his first12 years. The Stafford "excuses" as you put it were coaching, defense, oline, and scheme. Amazing what happened when he went to a team that paid attention to the OL, put him in a position scheme wise to win and had a good defense.
Not sure why everyone keeps comparing the two, they are nothing alike at all, Cousins does not have the leadership, passion for the game and moxie that Stafford has, they are two totally different sets of intangibles.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said: Signing on with Cousins for five more campaigns is bold, rest assured. He’s a divisive player, so about 20% of the Vikings fanbase would sour on Adofo-Mensah and O’Connell – like instantly – if Cousins was inked for five more hurrahs. Yet, these are fresh eyes and minds on the scene. The Wilfs hired who they considered the best and brightest. If the twosome wants to extend Cousins for a long time – or trade him elsewhere – one should probably afford the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, let's take a FAN poll before making a decision. LOL.
When it comes right down to it, and you weigh the ups and downs of all the options, a long-term extension with void years is probably the best. It allows us to add a few pieces to the defense and compete for a title in '22 and '23. Trade a player for a '23 pick, trade down in '22 for a '23 pick. Do whatever you have to do to maneuver into a high pick in '23. Draft the QB then. If you miss, you still have Cousins. If you hit, Cousins can be traded or voided.
But if the plan is to draft the QBOTF in the 23 draft, doesn't it make sense to trade KC for picks which will allow you the ammo to move into the top 10 to draft that QB?
I'd also be really curious to hear the new regime's thoughts on Mond. That might have some bearing on the direction they take this offseason as well. It's really too bad that Zimmer wouldn't play him at the end of the season, either in GB or at home against Chicago. It's not like that last game really had any bearing on his job status after they were destroyed in GB with Mannion.
which is exactly why Zimmer should have been fired long before he was, did anybody think Zimmer was going to do anything positive for the teams future down the stretch, especially if it might end up helping his replacement? no, so as soon as the season's direction was decided he should have been shown the door. ( and I would say the direction was decided long before it was over mathematically.) it was the zimmer until the end IMO is what sealed Spielmans fate as well, the GM should have been pushing Zim out the door in November so that some of those draft picks could have been better evaluated.
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
Matthew Stafford made the playoffs three times in his first12 years. The Stafford "excuses" as you put it were coaching, defense, oline, and scheme. Amazing what happened when he went to a team that paid attention to the OL, put him in a position scheme wise to win and had a good defense.
Not sure why everyone keeps comparing the two, they are nothing alike at all, Cousins does not have the leadership, passion for the game and moxie that Stafford has, they are two totally different sets of intangibles. Because the things that get these guys paid they are incredibly similar. Statistically and the W-L record people like you love to live and die by. But those things are tangible, not these rah rah 1970's old ball coach categories you just crapped out. If they are intangibles how do you know Cousins doesn't have those things? Wait, wait, dont tell me. The ole eye test, LOL! Next thing I know you'll be talking intestinal fortitude. Moxie? For the love of God are we talking NFL in 2022 or am I trapped in an inspirational story about a poverty stricken school district in the south beating the rich school district in the 1960's?
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ bigbone62 said:
Matthew Stafford made the playoffs three times in his first12 years. The Stafford "excuses" as you put it were coaching, defense, oline, and scheme. Amazing what happened when he went to a team that paid attention to the OL, put him in a position scheme wise to win and had a good defense.
Not sure why everyone keeps comparing the two, they are nothing alike at all, Cousins does not have the leadership, passion for the game and moxie that Stafford has, they are two totally different sets of intangibles.
Ring a bell?
Now, let me stress this, Matthew Stafford is not a bad quarterback by any means. In fact he is a good quarterback, teammate and leader for the Lions. Yet, that only gets you so far in the NFL. Just ask Randall Cunningham, Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. All great quarterbacks who never could win a Super Bowl.
This isn’t an attack on Stafford either. He is statically at times a great quarterback, yet the other times when he is bad he is well, bad. Midway through November the Detroit Lions saw this “at times bad” Stafford.
https://detroitjockcity.com/2015/01/07/d...-stafford/
I was going to go looking for my post that had a last 120 games started by both Stafford and Cousins comparisons. And then I remembered presenting facts had little impact on fact resistant humanoids.
So, here's this instead. ![[Image: xsno1h1csa9z.jpeg]](https://vikefans.com/vfforums/uploads/editor/0v/xsno1h1csa9z.jpeg)
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