Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
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Its that midwest humor coming through again....
Truth.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
Don't mistake folly for kahunas.
It was obvious in my mind that Zimmer had to go, but I think Spielman got caught up in this notion of "starting fresh." If the Vikings were going to open themselves up to HC candidates who wanted personnel control, perhaps it would be better if Rick weren't there. I also think they had already decided to move on from Cousins, which sort of flips over the Rick card. Still, this is a guy universally recognized as one of the better GMs in the NFL.
Again, Detroit has been through 6 GMs since 2000, Cleveland 10, Raiders 5, Jets 6. How many GMs will the Vikings go through before landing on the one that works for them?
Losing RS didn't surprise me any more than losing Zim. It's not like RS was giving Zim heaping amounts of FA and draft talent and Zim was just wasting it. It was time for both to leave and start a new era. The unknown is risky, but how do you get better without taking chances?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
Agreed. It was just time. Both had to go so that the team can make that next leap forward. Everything is there for the next GM and HC to succeed, maybe not next year but soon. The foundation from ownership, to facilities, to fanbase, etc. is there to stand on and hold up a Superbowl trophy. A well thought out strategic plan for short and long term with a slightly improved collaborative culture could work magic sooner rather than later.
The thing is you just never know how these things will pan out. That's why they play the games. I'm looking forward with hope that the script can finally be changed.
When hard-core fans like me (us) become apathetic? That's a huge warning for ownership. The Vikings had become a poster child for mediocrity.
I'll bet the Wilfs had made up their mind about mid-season on this. Vikings were always just below or at .500 this entire season.
But we almost won 5-6 more games if it weren't for a missed fg, a fumble in ot, a hickup on the D at the end of a game, etc. If we had won those games we would be like 14-3 or 13-4. For those taking this line of thinking, such as Zimmer himself, "almost win" means we lost those games. There is no asterisk by the loss that somehow gives us invisible credit for a potential win.
I agree with the previous posters that we were mediocre under RS & MZ. We needed a change to at least try to break out of that culture. I have been a die hard fan all my life. I even watched the Vikes every week during the Steckel 3-win season. But this season, I watched less and less as the season progressed. I didn't even really care if I saw them play. I could already script the game plan - BORING. This change was needed. As one poster suggested, we might suck a new way next year. Well, at least it's different and there is some hope we won't suck or be mediocre. If nothing changes, nothing changes.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
Don't mistake folly for kahunas.
It was obvious in my mind that Zimmer had to go, but I think Spielman got caught up in this notion of "starting fresh." If the Vikings were going to open themselves up to HC candidates who wanted personnel control, perhaps it would be better if Rick weren't there. I also think they had already decided to move on from Cousins, which sort of flips over the Rick card. Still, this is a guy universally recognized as one of the better GMs in the NFL.
Again, Detroit has been through 6 GMs since 2000, Cleveland 10, Raiders 5, Jets 6. How many GMs will the Vikings go through before landing on the one that works for them?
So you think the comments yesterday are indicative of an ending of the Cousins marriage? The tea leaves were certainly there, I'm not sure thats exactly what I heard?
Firing both was necessary. I know it's unknown and scary to some but they had their chance. Some people will make excuses for one or the other but a new perspective is needed. Mark Wilf talking about collaboration and communication clearly showed the need for change.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
Don't mistake folly for kahunas.
It was obvious in my mind that Zimmer had to go, but I think Spielman got caught up in this notion of "starting fresh." If the Vikings were going to open themselves up to HC candidates who wanted personnel control, perhaps it would be better if Rick weren't there. I also think they had already decided to move on from Cousins, which sort of flips over the Rick card. Still, this is a guy universally recognized as one of the better GMs in the NFL.
Again, Detroit has been through 6 GMs since 2000, Cleveland 10, Raiders 5, Jets 6. How many GMs will the Vikings go through before landing on the one that works for them?
I have more unease about letting RS go vs Zimmer. And even less about KC.
I think you mentioned this in another post and I have to agree; the chances of them getting GM/HC/QB right in one fell swoop isnt good. Not when you look at Vikings history and around the league.
And if we're parsing out blame? I put more of it on Zimmer than I do scouting or the front office.
Two things are starting to materialize for me now on these Vikings:
1). The culture and atmosphere there was bad, maybe as bad as I had feared. That's on RS and Zimmer. That doesnt go over well with what the Wilfs value.
2). KC and RS are tied at the hip and I'm not sure the Wilfs are in love with KC or his stance on contracts and more.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
Frankly, pure speculation, but I am guessing that if Spielman's brother was not in Detroit, Spielman would have accept another position within the Vikings organization. I am guessing the Wilfs wanted to move him into another position and he was holding out for more power (because he had Detroit as a back-up plan). Hence, the meeting last week was not to decide Zimmer's fate but to decide Spielman's fate and whether the Wilfs were going agree to some of Spielman's demands. Just pure speculation.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
Don't mistake folly for kahunas.
It was obvious in my mind that Zimmer had to go, but I think Spielman got caught up in this notion of "starting fresh." If the Vikings were going to open themselves up to HC candidates who wanted personnel control, perhaps it would be better if Rick weren't there. I also think they had already decided to move on from Cousins, which sort of flips over the Rick card. Still, this is a guy universally recognized as one of the better GMs in the NFL.
Again, Detroit has been through 6 GMs since 2000, Cleveland 10, Raiders 5, Jets 6. How many GMs will the Vikings go through before landing on the one that works for them?
I have more unease about letting RS go vs Zimmer. And even less about KC.
I think you mentioned this in another post and I have to agree; the chances of them getting GM/HC/QB right in one fell swoop isnt good. Not when you look at Vikings history and around the league.
And if we're parsing out blame? I put more of it on Zimmer than I do scouting or the front office.
Two things are starting to materialize for me now on these Vikings:
1). The culture and atmosphere there was bad, maybe as bad as I had feared. That's on RS and Zimmer. That doesnt go over well with what the Wilfs value.
2). KC and RS are tied at the hip and I'm not sure the Wilfs are in love with KC or his stance on contracts and more.
I also get the feeling from the presser yesterday that the Wilf's aren't comfortable with Cousins' contract situation.
The fact is that there really isn't a way out of that situation until '23 at the earliest unless KC sees clear to restructure for the betterment of all involved. Sure, we could probably find a trade partner, eat part of his contract, and muddle along with a far worse QB, and hamstring our incoming HC/GM.
KC holds all the cards, and is probably a contributing factor in why RS is no longer employed with the Vikings. The KC situation is more likely the icing on the cake to go along with a host of other questionable moves/contracts that are well chronicled.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
I will say a complete divorce from Spielman was something I did not see coming. Ballsy move to break from a guy you were in contact with on a daily basis.
Yup, blew my bloomers off too...I didnt think the Wilfs had the stomach or Kahuna's.
The fact a 4 year starter QB in the SEC drafted with the 66th pick in the third round was NOT ready to play by week 17 of the NFL season by such a margin Mannion was the starter was all I needed to see that both Spielman and Zimmer had to go. Atrocious
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