Cousins salary is whats broken. We cant afford him at 45 million a season. Pretty much for a 500 record.
I’ll take wins over stats any day.
The Vikings have made the playoffs one time in four years while paying a QB top dollar.
No matter who gets the blame, the strategy has failed miserably.
Continuing down the same path is the definition of insanity.
Something has to change if we truly expect different results.
Quote: @JustinTime18™ said:
Caldwell interviewing in Jax.
Rumor that Jim Harbaugh wants back in.
Guy beats OSU once and starts having delusions of grandeur.
he may never have that at the top of his career achievements on his resume again, strike while that iron is hot.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
You tell me.
What's the single most pointed to issue, make that perceived issue, on the team.
What's the single most proposed solution?
The board is not unique in this fallacy. But, it's pretty much unfounded.
I guess I remember Norm Snead, Todd Boumen, Gus Ferrotte, Spergeon Wynn, Shawn Salisberry, Brooks Bollinger and all the other POS QBs we endured.
Remember my post listing all of the Lions QBs from 20 years ago? That was an ugly, ugly streak of incompetence that lasted 40 years, including such superstars as Danielson, Kramer, Harrington, Batch, Hipple, Danielson, Peete, Kramer, Ware, Chuck Long, etc. And this was a team frequently picking in the top 10.
Well, here we are 20 years later and the Lions were finally able to find that QB in Matthew Stafford. And what do they do? They trade him!! It's so fucking stupid it defies description. Not every QB is going to be Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, but once you have one you can win with, you're done. Build the team around him. He's not your problem.
But for the Vikings, it's even stupider. There are 3 QBs in NFL history who have thrown for over 30,000 yards and 200 TDs in their first 115 games. Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Kirk Cousins. QBs with at least 20 games with 300 passing yards, 3 TDs and a passer rating over 110? One: Kirk Cousins (after this season, Rodgers may have joined him).
Oh but some want to dump that guy and fire the guy who drafted JJ, Dalvin, Hunter, Harry, Barr, Kendricks, O'Neill, Darrisaw, Griffen, ISJ...and jump on the Lions plan. Speaking of which, the amount of GMs in Detroit since 2000? Six. Cleveland, ten. Raiders, five. Jets, six. Oh, but unlike those teams, the Vikings are just going to pull their Super Bowl winning GM out of a hat and, defying all the draft odds (Jones, Haskins, Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Winston, Mariota, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Sanchez, Freeman, Russel, Quinn, Young, Leinart--all 1st rounders) draft their Super Bowl winning QB right along with him.
Focus on the PROBLEM and don't fix things that aren't broken. Fire the goddamn guy who found a half dozen ways to lose a game and this is probably a playoff team next year. Overreact and we could be staring at several years before we're competitive again.
I have thought all along that Stafford wanted out, and the Ford family was appreciative enough to let him out as long as they could get something positive for him. If I was the owner of a perennial shit team and had a guy like Stafford who played his ass off for me for over a decade and he wanted a chance to go to a better team at the end of his career, I would like to think I would have done the same as long as my team wasnt on the verge of putting it all together.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
You tell me.
What's the single most pointed to issue, make that perceived issue, on the team.
What's the single most proposed solution?
The board is not unique in this fallacy. But, it's pretty much unfounded.
I guess I remember Norm Snead, Todd Boumen, Gus Ferrotte, Spergeon Wynn, Shawn Salisberry, Brooks Bollinger and all the other POS QBs we endured.
Remember my post listing all of the Lions QBs from 20 years ago? That was an ugly, ugly streak of incompetence that lasted 40 years, including such superstars as Danielson, Kramer, Harrington, Batch, Hipple, Danielson, Peete, Kramer, Ware, Chuck Long, etc. And this was a team frequently picking in the top 10.
Well, here we are 20 years later and the Lions were finally able to find that QB in Matthew Stafford. And what do they do? They trade him!! It's so fucking stupid it defies description. Not every QB is going to be Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, but once you have one you can win with, you're done. Build the team around him. He's not your problem.
But for the Vikings, it's even stupider. There are 3 QBs in NFL history who have thrown for over 30,000 yards and 200 TDs in their first 115 games. Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Kirk Cousins. QBs with at least 20 games with 300 passing yards, 3 TDs and a passer rating over 110? One: Kirk Cousins (after this season, Rodgers may have joined him).
Oh but some want to dump that guy and fire the guy who drafted JJ, Dalvin, Hunter, Harry, Barr, Kendricks, O'Neill, Darrisaw, Griffen, ISJ...and jump on the Lions plan. Speaking of which, the amount of GMs in Detroit since 2000? Six. Cleveland, ten. Raiders, five. Jets, six. Oh, but unlike those teams, the Vikings are just going to pull their Super Bowl winning GM out of a hat and, defying all the draft odds (Jones, Haskins, Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Winston, Mariota, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Sanchez, Freeman, Russel, Quinn, Young, Leinart--all 1st rounders) draft their Super Bowl winning QB right along with him.
Focus on the PROBLEM and don't fix things that aren't broken. Fire the goddamn guy who found a half dozen ways to lose a game and this is probably a playoff team next year. Overreact and we could be staring at several years before we're competitive again.
I have thought all along that Stafford wanted out, and the Ford family was appreciative enough to let him out as long as they could get something positive for him. If I was the owner of a perennial shit team and had a guy like Stafford who played his ass off for me for over a decade and he wanted a chance to go to a better team at the end of his career, I would like to think I would have done the same as long as my team wasnt on the verge of putting it all together.
If the Lions had simply built a team around him, he probably would not have wanted out. Here are a list of just a few of the good players (some all pros) who the Lions either traded or let walk in free agency prior to trading Stafford: Kenny Golladay, Larry Warford, Quandre Diggs, Laken Tomlinson, Kyle Van Noy, Darius Slay, NDonkeyBlah Suh, Ziggy Ansah, Riley Reiff. Not to mention Calvin Johnson, who simply retired because of their incompetence.
The Lions have been terrible drafters. And on the few occasions when they do hit (see above), they don't keep them. More on this here: https://vikefans.com/vfforums/discussion...nd-warford
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings have made the playoffs one time in four years while paying a QB top dollar.
No matter who gets the blame, the strategy has failed miserably.
Continuing down the same path is the definition of insanity.
Something has to change if we truly expect different results.
Yep. Pretty much this. I like Cousins, but the 'swing for the fences' with his contract did not pan out. Shame on Zimmer and Spielman if they weren't in total agreement on signing Cousins. I applauded the risk and going for it, but this $35 million guaranteed for next season is a joke and really short-sighted. A strategic error. I just don't see a team taking Cousins off the Vikings' hands first of all and secondly, if it DOES happen, it will be to the great advantage of the team that trades FOR him. And if I were Cousins, I'd tell the team to pound sand: I ain't renegotiating shit. Cousins will be 34 years old before next season starts.
Jaguars owner Shad Khan has signaled his intentions to retain Baalke as the team's general manager despite experiencing a truly woeful season, according to multiple reports. Jaguars fans have predictably responded in rather dramatic fashion by taking to social media to voice their great displeasure with this development, and reports continue to emerge that Jaguars faithful plan to dress up in clown gear to their Week 18 home finale against the Indianapolis Colts in an attempt to make their voices heard. They really hate this guy.
Should Khan choose to give in to the mounting pressure by re-thinking his stance on Baalke, it could potentially open up the door for Harbaugh to consider Jacksonville as his next destination. Rookie quarterback Trevor Lawrence has admittedly struggled through his debut campaign, but still represents a franchise signal-caller worth developing and working alongside. Harbaugh was extremely aware of Lawrence's talents throughout his tear at Clemson, and may be tempted to join Lawrence at the pro ranks should the situation work itself out in a manner he deems appropriate.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings have made the playoffs one time in four years while paying a QB top dollar.
No matter who gets the blame, the strategy has failed miserably.
Continuing down the same path is the definition of insanity.
Something has to change if we truly expect different results.
Yep. Pretty much this. I like Cousins, but the 'swing for the fences' with his contract did not pan out. Shame on Zimmer and Spielman if they weren't in total agreement on signing Cousins. I applauded the risk and going for it, but this $35 million guaranteed for next season is a joke and really short-sighted. A strategic error. I just don't see a team taking Cousins off the Vikings' hands first of all and secondly, if it DOES happen, it will be to the great advantage of the team that trades FOR him. And if I were Cousins, I'd tell the team to pound sand: I ain't renegotiating shit. Cousins will be 34 years old before next season starts.
Here is what I expect will happen and Brez is too smart to let a 45M cap hit stay on the books. Let's just get that out the way now.
I think the team will (or should) add two void years to his deal and convert 15M of his salary into a bonus that gets spread out over 3 years. They do not need his permission either.
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... this will lower his cap hit by 10M in 2022 and the team will eat 10M in 2023 but by then, the cap should be close to 220M if not a bit more.
It also makes it easier to trade him.
After the Vikings do this salary cap maneuver, Cousins will be owed 25M for 2022. That makes him more attractive to other teams if they are only thinking about a one year rental.
I thought it was a good idea to sign him in 2018 and thought the extension was premature.
Here is a prime example of why Spielman confuses the heck out of me ...
The Vikings faced the 49ers in the 2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game. The 49ers sacked Cousins 6 times, hit him another 9 times, and who knows how many other times they pressured him. They held the Vikings to 21 yards rushing on 10 carries.
What does our GM do in the immediate offseason to rectify this problem? He decides that Pat Elflein would be fine AFTER moving him from left guard to right guard. He decided Dakota Dozier was fine on the other side.
In the draft, he waited until the end of the 7th round to select Kyle Hinton. He did draft Ezra Cleveland in the 2nd round and they moved him to guard even though he had never played there before. He only played because Elflein got hurt. The results were predictable.
The Chiefs saw Pat Mahomes get killed in the Super Bowl last year and immediately did this ...
Trade for Orlando Brown to play left tackle.
Sign the top guard in free agency Joe Thuney.
Sign Kyle Long out of retirement (he has been hurt all year).
Sign center/guard Austin Blythe.
Re-sign Mike Remmers.
Draft center Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round.
Draft guard Trey Smith in the 6th round.
... notice any difference?
When you spend the money he spent on the QB, WR, and RB and then fail to provide adequate protection, then the strategy has failed.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
You tell me.
What's the single most pointed to issue, make that perceived issue, on the team.
What's the single most proposed solution?
The board is not unique in this fallacy. But, it's pretty much unfounded.
I guess I remember Norm Snead, Todd Boumen, Gus Ferrotte, Spergeon Wynn, Shawn Salisberry, Brooks Bollinger and all the other POS QBs we endured.
Remember my post listing all of the Lions QBs from 20 years ago? That was an ugly, ugly streak of incompetence that lasted 40 years, including such superstars as Danielson, Kramer, Harrington, Batch, Hipple, Danielson, Peete, Kramer, Ware, Chuck Long, etc. And this was a team frequently picking in the top 10.
Well, here we are 20 years later and the Lions were finally able to find that QB in Matthew Stafford. And what do they do? They trade him!! It's so fucking stupid it defies description. Not every QB is going to be Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, but once you have one you can win with, you're done. Build the team around him. He's not your problem.
But for the Vikings, it's even stupider. There are 3 QBs in NFL history who have thrown for over 30,000 yards and 200 TDs in their first 115 games. Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Kirk Cousins. QBs with at least 20 games with 300 passing yards, 3 TDs and a passer rating over 110? One: Kirk Cousins (after this season, Rodgers may have joined him).
Oh but some want to dump that guy and fire the guy who drafted JJ, Dalvin, Hunter, Harry, Barr, Kendricks, O'Neill, Darrisaw, Griffen, ISJ...and jump on the Lions plan. Speaking of which, the amount of GMs in Detroit since 2000? Six. Cleveland, ten. Raiders, five. Jets, six. Oh, but unlike those teams, the Vikings are just going to pull their Super Bowl winning GM out of a hat and, defying all the draft odds (Jones, Haskins, Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Winston, Mariota, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Sanchez, Freeman, Russel, Quinn, Young, Leinart--all 1st rounders) draft their Super Bowl winning QB right along with him.
Focus on the PROBLEM and don't fix things that aren't broken. Fire the goddamn guy who found a half dozen ways to lose a game and this is probably a playoff team next year. Overreact and we could be staring at several years before we're competitive again.
I have thought all along that Stafford wanted out, and the Ford family was appreciative enough to let him out as long as they could get something positive for him. If I was the owner of a perennial shit team and had a guy like Stafford who played his ass off for me for over a decade and he wanted a chance to go to a better team at the end of his career, I would like to think I would have done the same as long as my team wasnt on the verge of putting it all together.
If the Lions had simply built a team around him, he probably would not have wanted out. Here are a list of just a few of the good players (some all pros) who the Lions either traded or let walk in free agency prior to trading Stafford: Kenny Golladay, Larry Warford, Quandre Diggs, Laken Tomlinson, Kyle Van Noy, Darius Slay, NDonkeyBlah Suh, Ziggy Ansah, Riley Reiff. Not to mention Calvin Johnson, who simply retired because of their incompetence.
The Lions have been terrible drafters. And on the few occasions when they do hit (see above), they don't keep them. More on this here: https://vikefans.com/vfforums/discussion...nd-warford
I agree completely, I just think it was the Ford family looking at their failures and rewarding one of their better players for his loyalty over the last decade plus. no excusing then for not ever getting their front office shit together, but I think they put Matt in a great opportunity and a lot of teams wouldnt have done that when a player says he wants out, it would have been highest bidder no matter the location.
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