I expected Kirk to take the team down the field for a game winning FG at the end. Expected it. Can't even remember that last time I felt that way. So irritating to see Joseph miss that FG the EXACT same way he missed the previous one: just wide right.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I expected Kirk to take the team down the field for a game winning FG at the end. Expected it. Can't even remember that last time I felt that way. So irritating to see Joseph miss that FG the EXACT same way he missed the previous one: just wide right.
the two he missed were both from the right hash. is there something to be said about that or just coincidence?
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ StickyBun said:
Fans that bitch about Cousins don't know football. Its that simple.
The problem is Mike Zimmer.
Guess I don't know football then...
I do know this:
Zimmer's record before Cousins, with the likes of Cassel, Bridgewater (including 13 games as a rookie), Bradford, Keenum:
39-25
Record with Kirk Cousins:
28-24-1
Kirk's overall record in the NFL: 53-54-1
Yes, I know that Cousins puts up big stats, but I'm not convinced that Zimmer is the main problem here.
Not sure if both periods are comparable. The Vikings seemed to have a lot of coaching experience in Zimmer’s early years, but lately they don’t seem to be as experienced.
That is directly connected to Zimmer as he hires all the coaches. Why he’s hired the current coaches might be more beneficial to him than the team.
So who here saw that play in the first half, ball inside the 20 on 3rd down and he threw a slant to KJ inside the 10. Good pass right?
JJ was running the same pattern on the same side just deeper, was WIDE OPEN in the end zone by 5 yards and KC threw the checkdown pattern to KJ.
On paper, stats, whatever that throw for a completion looks good. Look at the tape, dude blew an easy TD. That was after missing wide open JJ on an overthrow.
He is good, just not elite. We want to win SB he needs to hit those easy TDs. Good teams won't be as forgiving or drop 30 passes a game.
And had Zimmer just kicked the EP to go up 13-7 instead of running for a 2 pt conversion, we don't even go to OT.
Again a victory that feels like a loss IMO
Quote: @mblack said:
@ StickyBun said:
I expected Kirk to take the team down the field for a game winning FG at the end. Expected it. Can't even remember that last time I felt that way. So irritating to see Joseph miss that FG the EXACT same way he missed the previous one: just wide right.
the two he missed were both from the right hash. is there something to be said about that or just coincidence?
Yeah, there's something to said. I know I had a few choice words for him. 
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
So who here saw that play in the first half, ball inside the 20 on 3rd down and he threw a slant to KJ inside the 10. Good pass right?
JJ was running the same pattern on the same side just deeper, was WIDE OPEN in the end zone by 5 yards and KC threw the checkdown pattern to KJ.
On paper, stats, whatever that throw for a completion looks good. Look at the tape, dude blew an easy TD. That was after missing wide open JJ on an overthrow.
He is good, just not elite. We want to win SB he needs to hit those easy TDs. Good teams won't be as forgiving or drop 30 passes a game.
And had Zimmer just kicked the EP to go up 13-7 instead of running for a 2 pt conversion, we don't even go to OT.
Again a victory that feels like a loss IMO
Dude, give the Kirk Cousins bashing a rest. He torched a defense that has been one of the best in the NFL so far this year. Kirk was the best player on the field yesterday
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
So who here saw that play in the first half, ball inside the 20 on 3rd down and he threw a slant to KJ inside the 10. Good pass right?
JJ was running the same pattern on the same side just deeper, was WIDE OPEN in the end zone by 5 yards and KC threw the checkdown pattern to KJ.
On paper, stats, whatever that throw for a completion looks good. Look at the tape, dude blew an easy TD. That was after missing wide open JJ on an overthrow.
He is good, just not elite. We want to win SB he needs to hit those easy TDs. Good teams won't be as forgiving or drop 30 passes a game.
And had Zimmer just kicked the EP to go up 13-7 instead of running for a 2 pt conversion, we don't even go to OT.
Again a victory that feels like a loss IMO
Cousins isn't perfect....but neither are any other QBs. One thing I learned a long time ago watching NFL football games at the stadium: QBs don't see wide open guy sometimes. Including Hall of Famers. So if you want to nitpick Cousins as you seem to love to do, that's fine. He did miss him that way. But it happens and for us fans, its frustrating. But it isn't unique to Cousins, either.
I don't think this team is elite. I don't think Cousins is elite. But IMO, he's certainly good enough to win playoffs games and get the team into a Superbowl because lesser QBs have done it. He's very accurate and he's playing with confidence. His arm strength is underrated. He's gotten the team into winning situations and they haven't won....not his fault. But yeah, I agree with how some of these wins feel like something lesser than, Maybe not losses, but frustrating wins I guess is how I'd put it.
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@ prairieghost said:
What is my favorite KJ Osborn moment? This one, and damn I know there’s gonna be more to come B)
I think most of us wrote this guy off, especially when they picked up Westbrook. KJ is, by far, the best suprise of the season to this point. I’m really happy for him.
Na, Udoh, Woods, Griffin have all been suprises. KJ is great but Udoh is the prize of the season.
Just needs to cut down on his penalties, but Udoh has been a surprise. Woods and Griffin are what they are, personally not surprised in the least. Osborn is just going to get better. Vikes could end up with the best WR trio in the league
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ StickyBun said:
Fans that bitch about Cousins don't know football. Its that simple.
The problem is Mike Zimmer.
Guess I don't know football then...
I do know this:
Zimmer's record before Cousins, with the likes of Cassel, Bridgewater (including 13 games as a rookie), Bradford, Keenum:
39-25
Record with Kirk Cousins:
28-24-1
Kirk's overall record in the NFL: 53-54-1
Yes, I know that Cousins puts up big stats, but I'm not convinced that Zimmer is the main problem here.
Then, live with being wrong.
Cousins actually gets knocked for his production due to his record, but we've seen from our own team that he's repeatedly gottten the Vikings into scoring situations and had other elements (RB "fumbles, countless missed kicks, etc) fail. Hell, our defensive failures alone have been a blight on his career numbers...
...but, none more than Zimmer. Coach Z did have some very good records with previous QBs, but he also had his best o-line protecting Keenum, and Teddy is the prototypical dink-and-dunk game manager that Zimmer knows how to use. Also, and let's face it...Teddy was Z's first drafted QB, and he's rarely been complimentary about any of his signal callers since.
What's kinda hilarious is that the anti-Cousins froth used to be that he couldn't produce late in games...which wasn't accurate, but his teams failed to get Ws. Fine, that's certainly been addressed during his time here...and now, it's "why can't he produce before the last 5 minutes" or whatever.
He's hit early and late, but he's also dealt with a very old-school coach who seems determined to come out of halftime with two quarters' worth of clock control pre-ordained. We need Klint to show the ambition and the 'nads to get Zimmer to be less predictable...which will help Cousins and the whole offense.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
@ StickyBun said:
Fans that bitch about Cousins don't know football. Its that simple.
The problem is Mike Zimmer.
Guess I don't know football then...
I do know this:
Zimmer's record before Cousins, with the likes of Cassel, Bridgewater (including 13 games as a rookie), Bradford, Keenum:
39-25
Record with Kirk Cousins:
28-24-1
Kirk's overall record in the NFL: 53-54-1
Yes, I know that Cousins puts up big stats, but I'm not convinced that Zimmer is the main problem here.
Then, live with being wrong.
Cousins actually gets knocked for his production due to his record, but we've seen from our own team that he's repeatedly gottten the Vikings into scoring situations and had other elements (RB "fumbles, countless missed kicks, etc) fail. Hell, our defensive failures alone have been a blight on his career numbers...
...but, none more than Zimmer. Coach Z did have some very good records with previous QBs, but he also had his best o-line protecting Keenum, and Teddy is the prototypical dink-and-dunk game manager that Zimmer knows how to use. Also, and let's face it...Teddy was Z's first drafted QB, and he's rarely been complimentary about any of his signal callers since.
What's kinda hilarious is that the anti-Cousins froth used to be that he couldn't produce late in games...which wasn't accurate, but his teams failed to get Ws. Fine, that's certainly been addressed during his time here...and now, it's "why can't he produce before the last 5 minutes" or whatever.
He's hit early and late, but he's also dealt with a very old-school coach who seems determined to come out of halftime with two quarters' worth of clock control pre-ordained. We need Klint to show the ambition and the 'nads to get Zimmer to be less predictable...which will help Cousins and the whole offense.
None of the losses are on Cousins this year. In fact he put us in a position nearly single-handedly to win all of them. Defense, fumbles and missed field goals lost the games. Not Cousins. If his name was Karen Rodgers he'd be having a MVP season.
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