Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
@ greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week? star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble). So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS. I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
Not disagreeing, just exposing the mirage of hindsight. I would have probably taken a shot or 2 at the endzone with 40 seconds left.
or even a shot up the middle to pick up another 10 or 15 yards, still plenty of time to get up and spike the ball, as soon as I saw they were going to run the clock down and settle I cussed and started to call the restaurant for reservations knowing that I wouldnt be happy with the results... I just had a feeling.
Agreed. There was no reason with 35 plus second left we couldn't have ran a couple more plays to get closer.
Worst case you throw a couple short incompletions, or get stuffed at the line on runs. The clock management seemed horrific the last 3 minutes of the game.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
@ greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week? star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble). So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS. I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
Not disagreeing, just exposing the mirage of hindsight. I would have probably taken a shot or 2 at the endzone with 40 seconds left.
or even a shot up the middle to pick up another 10 or 15 yards, still plenty of time to get up and spike the ball, as soon as I saw they were going to run the clock down and settle I cussed and started to call the restaurant for reservations knowing that I wouldnt be happy with the results... I just had a feeling.
Agreed. There was no reason with 35 plus second left we couldn't have ran a couple more plays to get closer.
Worst case you throw a couple short incompletions, or get stuffed at the line on runs. The clock management seemed horrific the last 3 minutes of the game.
that has always been an achilles with Zimmer.
Quote: @JR44 said:
I didn't realize with the way we were easily moving the ball that we only scored 3 offensive 2nd half points. I think that is the biggest factor for the loss. Can't blame a kicker whose 52 yard was the only reason we were in that situation.
I wonder if something got figured out or adjusted at half. The holes on some of those Cook runs were pretty amazing early on. Second half seemed to be much less effective.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JR44 said:
I didn't realize with the way we were easily moving the ball that we only scored 3 offensive 2nd half points. I think that is the biggest factor for the loss. Can't blame a kicker whose 52 yard was the only reason we were in that situation.
I wonder if something got figured out or adjusted at half. The holes on some of those Cook runs were pretty amazing early on. Second half seemed to be much less effective.
thats the sad part, once they stopped Cook they stopped our offense. There should have been a quick adjustment ready to take advantage of the defensive change. You know if something works against certain looks, there are only a few ways to change to stop that, the adjustments to those changes should have been built into the game plan and implemented on the fly.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JR44 said:
I didn't realize with the way we were easily moving the ball that we only scored 3 offensive 2nd half points. I think that is the biggest factor for the loss. Can't blame a kicker whose 52 yard was the only reason we were in that situation.
I wonder if something got figured out or adjusted at half. The holes on some of those Cook runs were pretty amazing early on. Second half seemed to be much less effective.
thats the sad part, once they stopped Cook they stopped our offense. There should have been a quick adjustment ready to take advantage of the defensive change. You know if something works against certain looks, there are only a few ways to change to stop that, the adjustments to those changes should have been built into the game plan and implemented on the fly.
That is on the play caller. And we have seen that before (chicago games come to mind) where when they stop the run, we have no answer. There are multiple thoughts on this, one, without extending drives, it is difficult for the play caller to get in a rhythm, find what works and set up plays. So penalties, failures (dropped passes, blown blocking assignments) make it so difficult to get the offense going.
And with a rookie play caller, perhaps he wasn't ready for the halftime adjustments. Kept trying what was working in the first half. Hopefully he learns and gets better.
The kicking game and Oline have been inconsistently shitty since Zims arrival.
can you imagine the shit show this place would have been had kirk thrown an int or cook put it on the ground. We were within range. The kicker fucked the pooch.
The irritating thing that alot of kickers do, Joseph is one and I believe Bailey did this also is they get out there and swing their arm up from the spot of the ball at 90 degrees simulating the trajectory of the ball going through the uprights. Then they kick it left or right.
On the KFAN broadcast Paul Allen is screaming that the kick was good then you can hear Bercich tell him it was no good...funny stuff.
Quote: @Greylock said:
The irritating thing that alot of kickers do, Joseph is one and I believe Bailey did this also is they get out there and swing their arm up from the spot of the ball at 90 degrees simulating the trajectory of the ball going through the uprights. Then they kick it left or right.
On the KFAN broadcast Paul Allen is screaming that the kick was good then you can hear Bercich tell him it was no good...funny stuff.
PA was apologizing for that on Monday, apparently their press box was at the far end and PA went off of some fans reactions that were wearing Vikings gear. One fan that was at the game even called in and admitted he was one of them that was initially cheering but admitted himself that he couldn't see the ball and was going off reaction of others. I am guessing there were some drunk fans that forgot they were at an away game so when the home fans started cheering they just went along with it.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Greylock said:
The irritating thing that alot of kickers do, Joseph is one and I believe Bailey did this also is they get out there and swing their arm up from the spot of the ball at 90 degrees simulating the trajectory of the ball going through the uprights. Then they kick it left or right.
On the KFAN broadcast Paul Allen is screaming that the kick was good then you can hear Bercich tell him it was no good...funny stuff.
PA was apologizing for that on Monday, apparently their press box was at the far end and PA went off of some fans reactions that were wearing Vikings gear. One fan that was at the game even called in and admitted he was one of them that was initially cheering but admitted himself that he couldn't see the ball and was going off reaction of others. I am guessing there were some drunk fans that forgot they were at an away game so when the home fans started cheering they just went along with it.
Again, to each their own but I'm not a Paul Allen fan. He doesn't call a good game. He's late with his play by play consistently. Beyond the schtick....not even addressing that, he's subpar as a football announcer. JMO.
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