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This gonna resonate with some here...
#1
Stop blaming Greg Joseph and other kickers for Vikings losses, both recent and historicAnthony Barr, Harrison Smith and Kirk Cousins are making millions, they're supposed to be the key to big victories, not a temp placekicker.

The Vikings fan blaming losses on missed field goals is like a New Orleans resident blaming floods on a leaky faucet.
Kickers aren't the Vikings' problem.
Kickers are the Vikings' toupee.
When Greg Joseph missed a 37-yard field goal as time ran out in the Vikings' 34-33 loss at Arizona on Sunday, he joined a pantheon of kickers who failed to deliver a victory in the clutch.
Joseph failed in that moment. That's a fact. What's worse than him failing is him becoming a symbol of the Vikings' failures, letting more important and higher-paid employees off the hook.
We've seen this before. Gary Anderson did not miss a field goal in 1998 until the NFC Championship Game. He, too, became a symbol of that team's failures, obscuring mistakes made by actual football players.
When Anderson missed that field goal, he helped fans forget that Robert Smith ran out of bounds when trying to kill the clock, and that Randall Cunningham held the ball too long on a strip sack that changed the game, and that Randy Moss seemed to lose interest, and that the defense was shredded by injuries and couldn't stop the run or hassle a non-legendary quarterback in Chris Chandler, or that Denny Green had Cunningham take a knee at the end of regulation even though explosiveness and creativity was their greatest strength and Atlanta's defense was hurting.
But, sure, blame the kicker for missing one field goal.
Similarly, Joseph's loss obscured other failures.

The Vikings were running at will. Kirk Cousins had been efficient and had not turned the ball over all game — and still hasn't turned over the ball all season.
The Vikings offensive line was having a great day in the running game and had improved vastly over Week 1 in pass blocking. The Vikings have two star receivers to go with their all-world running back.
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Cousins' stat line is gaudy, but in a game in which he had the advantage of a great running game and good protection, he produced three offensive points in the second half.
Justin Jefferson, the wonderful second-year receiver, dropped a long Cousins pass down the sideline.
The Vikings' defense, even with Danielle Hunter playing like his old self, allowed 34 points.
But, sure, blame the kicker.
In sports as in politics and business, always follow the money.
The Vikings have decided to pay a lot of talented players a lot of money, and they have routinely overspent in relation to production.
Anthony Barr may be a good player, but he was a bad signing. This is the second season in a row in which his injury replacement — Eric Wilson in 2020 and Nick Vigil this year — has made more pivotal plays than we're accustomed to Barr making.
Harrison Smith just signed another big deal, and he is making few pivotal plays.
Then there is Cousins, The Illusionist. He is one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league. He is surrounded with skill position talent. Sunday, his offensive line played well. He produced zero offensive touchdowns in the second half of a wide-open game.
His record in Washington: 26-30-1. His record in Minnesota, starting with a season that followed a 13-3 Vikings season: 25-23-1. Career record: 51-53-2. That's what the Vikings are paying $33 million a year for.
Star players are on the field for 50 to 70 plays a game. Coaches spend all week devising schemes and plays and make hundreds of decisions during the game. Kickers jog onto the field and swing their leg a few times a game.
There is a cure for this problem: Deemphasize kicking.
There is no way a field goal should be half as valuable as a touchdown. There is no way an extra point should be half as valuable as a two-point attempt.
Kicking should be a desperate, end-of-half, tiebreaking stratagem, not an accepted feature of modern football.
But then Vikings fans would have to blame their favorite players, not their kicking temp, when they lose.
https://www.startribune.com/stop-blaming...600099146/

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#2
What I don't get is we had free agency money.  Big name accurate kickers were available.  Why didn't we go get one?
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#3
Quote:So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week?  star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble).  So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS.  I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
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#4
Quote: @AGRforever said:
What I don't get is we had free agency money.  Big name accurate kickers were available.  Why didn't we go get one?
We've been down the road recently with Dan Bailey...  at one time he was one of the most accurate Ks in NFL history.  He wasn't as good his last year in Dallas and was up and down with us for a couple seasons.  The veteran route isn't any better than picking up a young guy with little experience.  If we look around the NFL (and not just the Vikings), quite a few teams have cycled through a number of kickers in the last 5 years.  You hope you get a guy that is reliable, if not, you move on and bring someone else in.  That said, I would keep Joseph around and see how does the next couple games.
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Quote: @greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week?  star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble).  So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS.  I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
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Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week?  star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble).  So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS.  I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
Not disagreeing, just exposing the mirage of hindsight.  I would have probably taken a shot or 2 at the endzone with 40 seconds left.

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Quote: @greediron said:
@jargomcfargo said:
@greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week?  star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble).  So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS.  I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
Not disagreeing, just exposing the mirage of hindsight.  I would have probably taken a shot or 2 at the endzone with 40 seconds left.

or even a shot up the middle to pick up another 10 or 15 yards,  still plenty of time to get up and spike the ball,   as soon as I saw they were going to run the clock down and settle I cussed and started to call the restaurant for reservations knowing that I wouldnt be happy with the results... I just had a feeling.
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Quote: @greediron said:
@jargomcfargo said:
@greediron said:
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Doesn't anyone remember last week?  star running back fumbled (at least it was ruled as a fumble).  So the 20-20 hindsight is such BS.  I agree with the article about it not all being on the kicker.
With regard to the Vikings, which odds are greater? The probability of a turnover while trying to score a TD with a little time left on the clock, or the probability of a missed field goal?
Kind of hard to say specific to the Vikings. I guess I would rather they lose the ball going for a TD than playing for a field goal. I think a field goal is something you go for when you have no other options.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure they were playing for a field goal, as usual, when Cook allegedly fumbled.
Not disagreeing, just exposing the mirage of hindsight.  I would have probably taken a shot or 2 at the endzone with 40 seconds left.

I think this only applies to the Vikings for some reason. On other teams playing it safe seems to work out more often than not. Anyway, if the field goal had been made, everything changes. Defensive woes forgiven. Cousins is a winner. Zimmer pulled one out against a good team. And on and on until the next loss.

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#9
I didn't realize with the way we were easily moving the ball that we only scored 3 offensive 2nd half points.  I think that is the biggest factor for the loss.  Can't blame a kicker whose 52 yard was the only reason we were in that situation.  
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#10
If the author had thought, for even a second, the question of "what happened to the play calling?" Would have been in there.  The ambitions of the offense were largely killed, much less creative.

Meanwhile, our defense is rated something like 28th.

The kicker is a tiny part of much larger problems.
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