Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ Skodin said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
It's like a re-run of the Tice and Frazier years, only with far more talent and resources, yet we get the same result.
"We're not built like that."
No, and the Bucs, Packers, Saints, Rams, Chiefs and Bills are, and they have the wins, rings and hardware to prove it.
Meanwhile we are resurrecting the offensive strategy from the Adrian Peterson Era, since it was super successful, only now with Cook. Zim wants to run and establish the run but doesn't understand how to throw with success without PlayAction passes.
More alarming: talk about Zimmer's choices for OC's, lack of continuity, and how we end up with half a staff of rookie coaches.
Despite a sick amount of talent on offense, good offensive coaches aren't remotely interested in the Vikings.
It's either our QB or HC, my guess is both.
I agree with most of this except for the good offensive coaches aren't interested. I don't believe that at all, they know they can come here with this talent base and not having another offensive mind looking over their shoulder to run the show.
Norv, Shurmur, Kubiak, DeFlippo (hot name that year), Stefanski staying an additional year. There is quality offensive coaching in that group. Two of those names rode their year as OC to a head coaching job. Two of those men, who are historical offensive greats retired. JDF was a hot name that was over his skis in his OC position.
This team lacks a QB that fits its capabilities. Cousins, Zimmer, and our GM, are a bad match.
We can disagree.
5 OC's in 7 years. I seriously think other OC's and offensive coaches know something we don't.
Here's my issue:
I like the pick for WRs Coach. Everyone else picked for the offensive staff this year is dog shit IMO.
Shurmur was the best playcaller we ever had, turned Case Keenum into a guy with same amount of playoff wins as KC.
1 playoff win for Cousins in 4 seasons as a starter, same as Case. Does that mean Keenum is as good? Nope.
Coaching is everything.
Coaching and trench players. The lines decide everything else on the field.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
So 17 penalties, crappy o-line play, unimaginative offensive play calling, and a defense that couldn't stop Mixon or Chase didn't have anything to do with the outcome? Seems you were pretty zeroed in. Cousins didn't play good enough to pull the team out of the ditch, but he also didn't lose the game for the team. "Kirk Klan"...hmmm.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
Well, you didn't manage to name a QB able to "win by himself", or mention things like exactly how deep a dysfunctional hole our offense (and yes, Cousins) had to claw out of...time and time again.
I agree with those that think it's partially due to not enough preseason playing, and I'd add that our coach is determined to throw our QB under the bus while breezing past bigger problems.
I've never called Cousins perfect, but I'll call out the "fans" that blame him for essentially everything, and will bring up with W/L record while ignoring shitshow defenses/olines.
So, keep munching your waxy rainbow, sparky...but leave the Crayolas for the kids.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
Well, you didn't manage to name a QB able to "win by himself", or mention things like exactly how deep a dysfunctional hole our offense (and yes, Cousins) had to claw out of...time and time again.
I agree with those that think it's partially due to not enough preseason playing, and I'd add that our coach is determined to throw our QB under the bus while breezing past bigger problems.
I've never called Cousins perfect, but I'll call out the "fans" that blame him for essentially everything, and will bring up with W/L record while ignoring shitshow defenses/olines.
So, keep munching your waxy rainbow, sparky...but leave the Crayolas for the kids.
At the end of everyone's career, Cousins will be a .500 QB making the playoffs every few years, and the top QBs are closer to .650 making the playoffs most years. The supporting factors average out over time.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
Well, you didn't manage to name a QB able to "win by himself", or mention things like exactly how deep a dysfunctional hole our offense (and yes, Cousins) had to claw out of...time and time again.
I agree with those that think it's partially due to not enough preseason playing, and I'd add that our coach is determined to throw our QB under the bus while breezing past bigger problems.
I've never called Cousins perfect, but I'll call out the "fans" that blame him for essentially everything, and will bring up with W/L record while ignoring shitshow defenses/olines.
So, keep munching your waxy rainbow, sparky...but leave the Crayolas for the kids.
At the end of everyone's career, Cousins will be a .500 QB making the playoffs every few years, and the top QBs are closer to .650 making the playoffs most years. The supporting factors average out over time.
Even then Qirk's groupies will say that he didn't have enough support (despite having a premier WR duo, premier RB, and top 5-10 defense in 18' and 19'). That he never had an OL.
ANY QB CAN BE GREAT (Foles, Jimmy G, Kap, Eli, Dilfer, Flacco, Brad Johnson, the skeleton of Peyton) with a good OL, great weapons, and a great defense.
Qirk has made more money and had more support than 90% of NFL QB's during his time here and produced a Wild Card win
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ medaille said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Wetlander said:
I think Zimmer was being truthful... does anyone think Cousins is Mahomes? We don't have a QB that's good enough to win a game by himself and our OL certainly isn't capable of keeping him clean enough to throw that much. We're built for a balanced offense where we can run the ball and use the screen game with our best offensive weapon (Cook) and take deep play action shots with Thielen and Jefferson. You guys are reading way too much into his comments.
In all my years of watching football, I've never seen a QB win by himself. In fact, Brady is closest...but, he typically had an amazing line in front of him, a staunch defense, and managed to work up some serious partners in crime (Edelman, Gronk, etc).
One thing that should've been made very clear on Sunday: even "golden boi Erin" looks pretty beatable when his line is iffy, and that's true of every QB. For all Favre's vaunted heroics, he was 1-1 in SB visits and never got back after the loss. Erin is a decade out from his last one. Wilson is almost as far removed from his, and hasn't been back since the "Legion" trickled away.
Mahomes barely got the win over Cleveland, and he leans HARD on Hill. Jackson lost to a pocket passer, last night, and two of the most famous pocket passers are brothers with 2 rings each...and were "Manning" the game last night.
I kinda laugh at the "get a mobile QB, get a ring" babble...because there's been a lot of mobile QBs, but they still need solid o-lines to win big games. Ask Mahomes how his last Superbowl went, ditto for Wilson, ditto for Newton.
Here's the fuggin' formula: good players, consistently, across the board, with excellent coaching.
You and Havoc can keep defending Cousins and blaming everyone else but him when he doesn't play well. Me? I'll keep calling it how I see it. Everyone blaming our OC and Zimmer for throwing short of the sticks to Thielen on 3rd down... go watch it again. Cousins leads him to the ground instead of putting it where he can run two yards for the first down. Kirk's placement on that throw was what led to it being short of the sticks. But keep eating Kirk colored crayons, seems like you enjoy the taste.
If anyone is even somewhat critical of Cousins or points out instances where he didn't play well, the Kirk Klan comes out and bashes anyone that has a reasonable take on him. You can die on that sword, I've jumped off his bandwagon after 3 years of watching him.
Well, you didn't manage to name a QB able to "win by himself", or mention things like exactly how deep a dysfunctional hole our offense (and yes, Cousins) had to claw out of...time and time again.
I agree with those that think it's partially due to not enough preseason playing, and I'd add that our coach is determined to throw our QB under the bus while breezing past bigger problems.
I've never called Cousins perfect, but I'll call out the "fans" that blame him for essentially everything, and will bring up with W/L record while ignoring shitshow defenses/olines.
So, keep munching your waxy rainbow, sparky...but leave the Crayolas for the kids.
At the end of everyone's career, Cousins will be a .500 QB making the playoffs every few years, and the top QBs are closer to .650 making the playoffs most years. The supporting factors average out over time.
Even then Qirk's groupies will say that he didn't have enough support (despite having a premier WR duo, premier RB, and top 5-10 defense in 18' and 19'). That he never had an OL.
ANY QB CAN BE GREAT (Foles, Jimmy G, Kap, Eli, Dilfer, Flacco, Brad Johnson, the skeleton of Peyton) with a good OL, great weapons, and a great defense.
Qirk has made more money and had more support than 90% of NFL QB's during his time here and produced a Wild Card win
A wild card win, on the road, against the Brees-led Saints...in case you forgot.
Look at the line ratings of qbs in "great" seasons, and you'll rarely to never find line ratings in the bottom quarter it the league.
Oh, ours is 26th after week 1, but Cousins had the 351, 2, and no turnovers. Meanwhile, our D pissed away 24, then another 3 in OT. Every WR wants to play against Breeland right now.
When I see a similar level of frustration at the players who truly fail to produce, it'll be less ridiculous...but damn, it's bizarre how Cousins gets all this vitriol when we have a CB burned for as many scores as Cousins threw...and also missed the most tackles in week 1.
It's...stupid.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
https://twitter.com/YouGotMossedx/status...6748036108
Tannehill sacked so many times. Jones had 5 sacks. He has to be salivating to get at Cousins. Cousins was under pressure 50% of the time (PFF). They need to get it together. Short passes need to be utilized. It's not all about the run game.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
It's like a re-run of the Tice and Frazier years, only with far more talent and resources, yet we get the same result.
"We're not built like that."
Childress should be added to that list.
"Childress has built the Vikings into a run-first, low-risk outfit that relies on a sound defense and a take-what-it-can-get offense to succeed. One problem with that is they're not made for big rallies."https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/261030016
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I believe the Vikings were the #1 ranked rushing defense entering the game. They were so dominating at stopping the run there some talks starting up comparing them to some of the best rush defenses of all time.
If I remember correctly, after that Patriots victory. Belichick was asked to provide his thoughts as to why they passed so much and his comment was something like: Well, they have the #1 rush defense, why run at them?
That game was something of a blue print because after that most of the opponents came out throwing and continued throwing.----------------------------
Here's an article posted nearly two years ago (30 Sep 19): Adam Thielen challenges Vikings offense: 'You have to be able to throw the ball' The Vikings offense was nonexistent as Dalvin Cook was shut down by the Bears defense.
"The Chicago Bears defense made sure the Minnesota Vikings knew their game plan early, shut down Dalvin Cook and make Kirk Cousins beat them. Cook was held to 14 carries for 35 yards and a touchdown as
the Vikings were held to just 40 rushing yards, putting the game on
Cousins' shoulders. The Vikings quarterback did not rise up to the
challenge, finishing 27-of-36 for 233 yards with no touchdowns and no
interceptions in a 16-6 loss to the Bears."https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/adam-thielen-challenges-vikings-offense-you-have-to-be-able-to-throw-the-ball/
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