Klint DeFlippio?

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I like the 3-4 WR sets, what does not make any sense is expecting to run those sets with a standard QB drop, either the play needs to be designed for a short drop and quick pass like the Bucs run often or the QB needs to role out.  But to play a 3-4 WRs and then have an immobile take a deep drop expect him to have time to throw is not a recipe for success.  

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Ben Baby

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I"ll be honest: Given how much the Bengals wanted to stop Dalvin Cook, I'm stunned the Vikings didn't use more play action.

Only used play-action on six pass attempts, per NFL Next Gen. Yielded four completions and 31 yards.

Again, not who we are. It's as if Kube is running his system as opposed to running a system to suit the strength of the roster. Way early, but this troubles me.

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Hard to do play action when the QB turns around & the interior D line is already on top of him…. 

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In response the coaching.
My wife and I coach middle schoolers how to run.  Every great once in awhile the race will get into the head of a kid or two.  Most the time you can coach them out of it. 

These guys are paid enormous amounts of cash to play a game they've been playing since they were what 8 years old?
I'd assume the coaching staff is the same way.  They played ball when they were kids.  Started coaching and are doing it as a job.  How freaking hard can it be to not commit so damn many penalties?  Same with play calling.  Are you telling me Klint hasn't been going for this his entire coaching career to this point?  He's probably sat in on his Dad for a decade or more learning.  Just get busy and do your job.  Quit making excuses. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@Wetlander said:

@MaroonBells said:

@minny65 said:

@MaroonBells said:
There are so many places to look to assign blame. I don't even know where to start. 

At the top - HC

Don't disagree. Poor game prep is probably the biggest (again) and that blame ultimately resides with the HC. Just hoping and praying this terrible prep and execution on both sides of the ball doesn't go through the first six games like it did last year. 

Everyone keeps saying poor game prep and blaming it on Zimmer...  what weren't we prepared for?  Our defense was doing their job early in the game and Zimmer mixed in 3-4 looks to confuse the Bengals offense.  Mental errors like false starts are on the players...  if they can't remember the snap count or are too anxious to go... that's on them.  Zimmer can't hold their hand and whisper in their ear, it's OK to go now.

If the offense didn't commit so many preventable penalties by being more mentally tough, we'd have been winning the game from the start and it turns into a blowout.  Instead we fiddle farted around on offense and it really got bad when Abdullah steps out of bounds on the last drive to preserve an extra 30+ seconds for the Bengals to score on a long TD before half.

Maybe I saw something different, but I thought the Vikings had a good gameplan going in.  It was the lack of offense (mostly due to penalties) in the first half that kept the Bengals in the game.

I saw it differently. Like I said above, there are too many places to look to find blame. Poor execution, sure, but it wasn't just one guy. It was Ham and O'Neill and Udoh and KJ and Cousins and JJ and....miscues all over the place, false starts, holds, dropped passes, missed blitzes, just about everywhere. So because it wasn't isolated, to me that goes to team preparation. Maybe the game plan was solid, but the team, across the board, just wasn't ready....wasn't focused. I don't know who else you could blame for that kind of team-wide lack of focus but the HC. 

The defense certainly looked ready to play...  the Bengals barely moved the ball the entire first quarter and didn't score their first TD until midway through the second quarter?

I have no idea why the offense was so out of sync from the start.  Maybe Klint being in the booth (rather than on the sidelines) had something to do it?  Either way, these are professional athletes...  it ain't college anymore.  They need to find a way to mentally prepare themselves on game day and I would point the finger at our team leaders before the coaches.  What's Cousins doing in the huddle after that first false start?  Cook?  Thielen?  These are the offensive leaders who need to settle the guys down in the huddle, not Zimmer.

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@Wetlander said:

@MaroonBells said:

@minny65 said:

@MaroonBells said:
There are so many places to look to assign blame. I don't even know where to start. 

At the top - HC

Don't disagree. Poor game prep is probably the biggest (again) and that blame ultimately resides with the HC. Just hoping and praying this terrible prep and execution on both sides of the ball doesn't go through the first six games like it did last year. 

Everyone keeps saying poor game prep and blaming it on Zimmer...  what weren't we prepared for?  Our defense was doing their job early in the game and Zimmer mixed in 3-4 looks to confuse the Bengals offense.  Mental errors like false starts are on the players...  if they can't remember the snap count or are too anxious to go... that's on them.  Zimmer can't hold their hand and whisper in their ear, it's OK to go now.

If the offense didn't commit so many preventable penalties by being more mentally tough, we'd have been winning the game from the start and it turns into a blowout.  Instead we fiddle farted around on offense and it really got bad when Abdullah steps out of bounds on the last drive to preserve an extra 30+ seconds for the Bengals to score on a long TD before half.

Maybe I saw something different, but I thought the Vikings had a good gameplan going in.  It was the lack of offense (mostly due to penalties) in the first half that kept the Bengals in the game.

Maybe, just maybe if they had practiced more during the preseason they would have mastered the snap count or been used to it.
No Zimmer cant do that during the game. He would have already done that in preseason and they would have been used to it by now

The same offense that could barely score a TD (till game 3) during the preseason because of mental errors, lack of focus and you guessed it... penalties.
Just like what we witnessed in the preseason. Hence a coaching oversight.

In a nutshell, Zim as usual over estimated his planning, player quality and readiness. Just like he over estimated the quality of his defense last year and went with rookies. We know how that turned out.