Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
I wrote something up on this a couple of weeks ago and the only response I noticed was one seeing it as saying Cousins does no wrong. It wasn’t about Cousins, it was about this staff and it starts at the top.
I like Zimmer and he’s the kind of defensive coordinator you like, but as a head coach he’s far too inflexible. Cousins should have been calling most of our plays at the line starting a couple of years ago. He does well in hurry up because it’s on him to do it. He’s more than capable. As is, he nearly always runs the play and works the progressions exactly as instructed. For the most part, he’s a robot out there. This is Zimmer. He’s a “system” guy. He believes that’s the way to win - follow orders from the coaches to a T. Zimmer simply can’t let go of that control.
The same can be said for defense. Anyone think Kendricks is capable of calling a needed adjustment? Of course he is. Is he allowed much flexibility? Heck no. It’s Zimmer’s way or the highway.
Good coaches can adapt. Good coaches learn to trust players. Good coaches run game plans to their players strengths, taking advantage of them.
Good coaches have their team prepared! Good coaches give them reps as a unit so they’re ready for week one. Good coaches build disciplined units, not sloppy penalty producing juggernauts.
What we’ve seen over and over are undisciplined and ill prepared defensive and offensive units taking the field to start our year. Sometimes by sheer luck or unique talent they pull off a win or two, but for the most part the team is often having to overcome itself as much as the opposition.
Personally, I’ve been over Zimmer’s inability to put out a disciplined and cohesive unit after seeing the preseason. As much as I like the guy and want him to succeed, he just can’t get out of his own way.
Unless things change and change quickly, it’s going to be a very long year in my opinion.
You can't run hurry up all game... and Cousins might have more autonomy if our OCs that Zimmer hired weren't so good they keep getting hired as HCs. The players are learning a new offense again, sure it's similar to what older Kubiak ran last year, but this is Klint's offense. Before Older Kubes it was Stefanski's offense. I'd buy your argument a little more if we had been in the same offense since Kirk was signed in 2018... but that isn't the case.
As far as Zimmer being inflexible and having archaic schemes... anyone notice how we mixed in 3-4 looks in the first half yesterday? It worked and had Burrow confused. The tale of the game was offensive penalties in the first half... they killed drives or put the offense in a tough spot to overcome them. I don't really put the pre-snap penalties on Zimmer. Players need to pull their heads outta their ass, not sure how that's Zimmer's fault when Ham has two false starts and a couple other players go early too? At the end of the day, players need to make sure they are mentally ready to play. That's not the coaches job. The coaches job is to make sure the gameplan is good and everyone understands what we're trying to do on offense, defense, and special teams.
Zimmer has his own faults (that he freely admits when he fucks up), but this just seems like piling on. I mean look at McVay and others... Zimmer gave his starters as much time as Andy Reid in preseason and more than Sean McVay who didn't play any of his starters at all in preseason. It didn't stop them from playing well on offense and getting a win.
We'll see how this season goes, but lots of overreacting to Week 1. And not just our fanbase... it's every team, every year. Lets give it a few weeks. We all knew all these new faces on defense needed some time to gel. I was most surprised our offense looked as flat as it did for so long.
I might react differently if I thought it was just one game but this goes back to last season too. When is the last time we’ve seen this team play a complete game?
Year after year we tell ourselves we have so much talent on this team and yet we are consistently mediocre on the field game after game, season after season. Are we as talented as we think or are we just not coached-up to capitalize on the talent?
I think we have a ton of talent that is not coached well enough to put us into consistent winner contender.
Now, well before this season, I have been down on Zimmer and said that this is probably his last year. I also consistently said that I don't think Spelly and Zimmer are tied together. If we have the ton of talent I will give the GM credit for that and the coaches the blame for not getting enough out of the talent.
This offseason, I flipped on my support of Kirk. I think he is a weirdo moron who has the opposite of the "it" factor needed to be the guy! But we are locked-in on the Cousins contract for this and next season at 72 million and that is a Spelly decision - that I supported at that time just to be honest. I also wanted us to look really hard in the first round for a future QB despite our sunk-cost on Cousins.
Basically, the point of my disjointed thoughts:
I have been down on Zimmer since Philly
I am down on Kirk after this offseason
I am starting to waver on Spelly
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Quote: @Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
I think we're missing one thing that worried a few of us going into this game. Things Jake Browning could've done to bite us in the ass:
1. Guys, this young line is being to taught to strategically hold. Everyone holds. Some just know how to get away with it more than others. Coaches to refs before the game: "watch the holding." Result: every single damned close-call hold was called. The entire bar was laughing it was so ridiculous. I've honestly never seen anything like it.
2. Rashod HIll crosses his feet on deep pass sets. An upfield, outside rush will beat him every time.
3. Vikings will do A when they're in formation B.
4. Here are the changes to the Vikings defense. They'll disguise 4-3 and jump into 3-4. Here are the keys to watch for.
5. Here are the things Cousins is struggling with in KK's new playbook. Here are KK's blind spots.
There have to be about two dozen things he could've told them. Typically you get this stuff from film. Week 1 there is no film. Browning was our QB2 for three years and through training camp. He would've known it all.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson. Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.
We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
Which is a great reason to trade 1st for DeShaun Watson. Give them 3 firsts and Cousins, some later picks.
We draft better beyond the first and with Watson and these weapons, we would be a threat in every game.
watson is only worth that if he didnt have his legal troubles hanging over his head.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
You are more gracious than me. Was not a fan of either the Waynes or Barr picks. Saw a lot of Floyd in college as well, never had particularly high hopes for him. Rick has had some success in the 2nd (so, why trade a 2 for Ngakoue?) but has to be better in the first. Lack of success there creates the depth issues we've seen.
Quote: @Rigby said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
You are more gracious than me. Was not a fan of either the Waynes or Barr picks. Saw a lot of Floyd in college as well, never had particularly high hopes for him. Rick has had some success in the 2nd (so, why trade a 2 for Ngakoue?) but has to be better in the first. Lack of success there creates the depth issues we've seen.
I call them a success if they become multi year starters for us and are offered a 2nd contract. I have to think that Waynes was likely offered.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Rigby said:
Christian Ponder
Matt Kalil
Harrison Smith
Shariff Floyd
Xavier Rhodes
Cordarrelle Patterson
Anthony Barr
Teddy Bridgewater
Trae Waynes
Laquon Treadwell
Mike Hughes
Garrett Bradbury
Justin Jefferson
Jeff Gladney
Christian Darrisaw
You have to be better than this in the 1st.
Christian Ponder--BUST
Matt Kalil--BUST
Harrison Smith--DEFINITE HOME RUN
Shariff Floyd--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Xavier Rhodes-- SUCCESS
Cordarrelle Patterson--BUST ( Especially considering the draft capital spent to get him )
Anthony Barr--SUCCESS ( But not when you consider that they passed on Aaron fricking Donald , but Barr has been a starter for many years)
Teddy Bridgewater--BUST ( injury, could happen to anybody )
Trae Waynes--Success... but not by much
Laquon Treadwell--BUST
Mike Hughes--BUST
Garrett Bradbury--STILL Early but I am saying BUST
Justin Jefferson--Early, but looks like a SUCCESS
Jeff Gladney--BUST
Christian Darrisaw--WAY TO EARLY.
9 BUSTS ( 7 if you dont count the 2 injuries to Teddy and Shariff)
5 SUCCESSES
The NFL average is 53%, success on first round picks. Looks like Speilman is under 42%.
Probably a little below average now on 1st rounders, but with a caveat for injuries and arrests to Floyd, Teddy, Hughes and Gladney. However, the 1st round is balanced by what is arguably the best 2nd and 3rd round drafting in the NFL over that same time period. Ezra, Irv, Mattison, O'Neill, Cook, Alexander, Kendricks, Hunter, Rudy.
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