Which stage of grief are you in about Zimmer?

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@Kentis said:

@Mike Olson said:
I accepted that Zim was nothing more than a washed up DC years ago.

You definitely were ahead of the curve on that one, SWA…!

a few of us said this and we were directed to injurues and lack of depth. the lack of dept was created by the same people who now use it as an excuse. Zim should have gone 2 years ago. this team will not and cannot win

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@AGRforever said:
I’m over Zim. I moved to acceptance last year. 

I’m also over Kirk. He needs to go. Its past time we realize that “decent” or “game manager” shouldnt also mean top salary. 

I think Id hang onto Speileman at this point?  Though our lack of 1st round difference makers is starting to show. I almost wish they’d let someone else do the first pick and let slick rick handle the rest. 

Oh you want the Triangle of Authority back?

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I wrote something up on this a couple of weeks ago and the only response I noticed was one seeing it as saying Cousins does no wrong. It wasn’t about Cousins, it was about this staff and it starts at the top.
I like Zimmer and he’s the kind of defensive coordinator you like, but as a head coach he’s far too inflexible. Cousins should have been calling most of our plays at the line starting a couple of years ago. He does well in hurry up because it’s on him to do it. He’s more than capable. As is, he nearly always runs the play and works the progressions exactly as instructed. For the most part, he’s a robot out there. This is Zimmer. He’s a “system” guy. He believes that’s the way to win - follow orders from the coaches to a T. Zimmer simply can’t let go of that control. 
The same can be said for defense. Anyone think Kendricks is capable of calling a needed adjustment? Of course he is. Is he allowed much flexibility? Heck no. It’s Zimmer’s way or the highway. 
Good coaches can adapt. Good coaches learn to trust players. Good coaches run game plans to their players strengths, taking advantage of them. 
Good coaches have their team prepared! Good coaches give them reps as a unit so they’re ready for week one. Good coaches build disciplined units, not sloppy penalty producing juggernauts. 
What we’ve seen over and over are undisciplined and ill prepared defensive and offensive units taking the field to start our year. Sometimes by sheer luck or unique talent they pull off a win or two, but for the most part the team is often having to overcome itself as much as the opposition. 
Personally, I’ve been over Zimmer’s inability to put out a disciplined and cohesive unit after seeing the preseason. As much as I like the guy and want him to succeed, he just can’t get out of his own way. 
Unless things change and change quickly, it’s going to be a very long year in my opinion.

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I gave up on Zimmer in 2016.   Too much weird behavior and obvious shortcomings from him, he was not HC material it was plain to me.  Spielman more like 2-3 years ago. 

This franchise had a great opportunity to clean house, promote Stefanski and/or Paton and start over after that embarrassment in San Fran.   I was pleading for it.   But ownership just seems stubbornly attached to the familiar and to whatever mythology they've built around imagined potential.   So the mediocrity disguised as "being in contention" drags on for years.   

The team that showed up today and lost to a bottom feeder like Cincy isn't going to win a single road game outside of maybe Detroit, and it isn't going 8-0 at home.   Off this performance you'd have to call them maybe a 5 win team.   

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If you are going to scapegoat Zimmer and give Spielman a free pass, you can knock this crap off.
They both need to go. 
The Wilf family may be getting a good financial gain for their investment, but I don't think they are getting the performance gain they would like, or deserve.
The first game isn't terribly predictive, but if things don't turn around, I think it is time for a new plan.

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I have been ready to move on the last two years. (Both Rick and the CB whisperer)

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I was trying to be optimistic leading into yesterday's game given how bad everything went last year. Zimmer got his way with Free Agents, basically getting every DL and CB/S he wanted. The result? 127 yards from Mixon and 128.8 QB rating from a guy who hasnt played since week 10 of last year. Throw in the embarrassment of penalties in the first half and you have to wonder what the hell Zimmer was even doing for preparation. 

He truly has been one of Minnesota's best coaches, but it's time. We need a young mind leading the team and I'm all in on Kellen Moore as next HC.

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@Havoc1649 said:
I wrote something up on this a couple of weeks ago and the only response I noticed was one seeing it as saying Cousins does no wrong. It wasn’t about Cousins, it was about this staff and it starts at the top.

I like Zimmer and he’s the kind of defensive coordinator you like, but as a head coach he’s far too inflexible. Cousins should have been calling most of our plays at the line starting a couple of years ago. He does well in hurry up because it’s on him to do it. He’s more than capable. As is, he nearly always runs the play and works the progressions exactly as instructed. For the most part, he’s a robot out there. This is Zimmer. He’s a “system” guy. He believes that’s the way to win - follow orders from the coaches to a T. Zimmer simply can’t let go of that control. 
The same can be said for defense. Anyone think Kendricks is capable of calling a needed adjustment? Of course he is. Is he allowed much flexibility? Heck no. It’s Zimmer’s way or the highway. 
Good coaches can adapt. Good coaches learn to trust players. Good coaches run game plans to their players strengths, taking advantage of them. 
Good coaches have their team prepared! Good coaches give them reps as a unit so they’re ready for week one. Good coaches build disciplined units, not sloppy penalty producing juggernauts. 
What we’ve seen over and over are undisciplined and ill prepared defensive and offensive units taking the field to start our year. Sometimes by sheer luck or unique talent they pull off a win or two, but for the most part the team is often having to overcome itself as much as the opposition. 
Personally, I’ve been over Zimmer’s inability to put out a disciplined and cohesive unit after seeing the preseason. As much as I like the guy and want him to succeed, he just can’t get out of his own way. 
Unless things change and change quickly, it’s going to be a very long year in my opinion.

You can't run hurry up all game...  and Cousins might have more autonomy if our OCs that Zimmer hired weren't so good they keep getting hired as HCs.  The players are learning a new offense again, sure it's similar to what older Kubiak ran last year, but this is Klint's offense.  Before Older Kubes it was Stefanski's offense.  I'd buy your argument a little more if we had been in the same offense since Kirk was signed in 2018...  but that isn't the case.

As far as Zimmer being inflexible and having archaic schemes...  anyone notice how we mixed in 3-4 looks in the first half yesterday?  It worked and had Burrow confused.  The tale of the game was offensive penalties in the first half...  they killed drives or put the offense in a tough spot to overcome them.  I don't really put the pre-snap penalties on Zimmer.  Players need to pull their heads outta their ass, not sure how that's Zimmer's fault when Ham has two false starts and a couple other players go early too? At the end of the day, players need to make sure they are mentally ready to play.  That's not the coaches job.  The coaches job is to make sure the gameplan is good and everyone understands what we're trying to do on offense, defense, and special teams.

Zimmer has his own faults (that he freely admits when he fucks up), but this just seems like piling on.  I mean look at McVay and others...  Zimmer gave his starters as much time as Andy Reid in preseason and more than Sean McVay who didn't play any of his starters at all in preseason.  It didn't stop them from playing well on offense and getting a win.

We'll see how this season goes, but lots of overreacting to Week 1.  And not just our fanbase...  it's every team, every year.  Lets give it a few weeks.  We all knew all these new faces on defense needed some time to gel.  I was most surprised our offense looked as flat as it did for so long.

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I’ve accepted he was a bad coach for at least three years.  He no longer is able to even get their attention it seems.  Uninspired football for quite some time now

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"We have a lot of work to do"

You've been here what, 7 years?

Bring in 2 new DT's, new DBs and get this result:

Joe Mixon 29 carries 127 yards 4.4 ypc

Meanwhile our new OC with Dalvin Cook:  20 carries 61 yards

After witnessing a pro team rack up 17 penalties, that's coaching and discipline.  Hire an OC, only because he's the son of your last coach, who has never called plays before???   That's your pick for OC, a rookie playcaller?  And how did that offense look despite Thielen, JJ, Cook as weapons?  

It's over. The post-draft grades for MN always look good until 5 years later.

I don't care that it's Week 1, the entire coaching staff and GM need to go at end of season