Have you have Covid Vaccine yet?

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@greediron said:
Sigh.  the one study?  

https://ivmmeta.com/
42 peer reviewed studies
31 randomized control trials

but go ahead and believe in the CDC science which changes with the wind.

Sigh….the main study that supplied the meta data for the bulk of all the studies done this year. Read The Guardian article or google a fox article if itll make you feel better. 

“Because the Elgazzar study is so large, and so massively positive – showing a 90% reduction in mortality – it hugely skews the evidence infavour of ivermectin”

“If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, suddenly there are very few positive randomised control trials of ivermectin for Covid-19. Indeed, if you get rid of just this research, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed.”

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@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

Distrust of the CDC.....now this from the FDA. How long will it take for people to mistrust them as well? Whatever doesn't fit their agendas gets dismissed. The majority of doctors, nurses, the CDC , the FDA.....where does it end? Its NUTS. 

So you say we should blindly trust Johnson and Johnson?  They would never allow anything to harm anyone for profit.  yeah, the FDA won't approve medicines for years, but on this they fast track it.  Sounds like a trustworthy government entity that isn't over powerful, corrupt and full of kickbacks.

What exactly would you have them do?  CDC/FDA pulled the J&J within a day of seeing data that suggested it was causing clotting issues in a specific age range.  They changed the recommended age range where the issues were not being seen and resumed its use, though most people in the USA opted for Pfizer or Monderna because their efficacy was dramatically higher. 

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

Distrust of the CDC.....now this from the FDA. How long will it take for people to mistrust them as well? Whatever doesn't fit their agendas gets dismissed. The majority of doctors, nurses, the CDC , the FDA.....where does it end? Its NUTS. 

So you say we should blindly trust Johnson and Johnson?  They would never allow anything to harm anyone for profit.  yeah, the FDA won't approve medicines for years, but on this they fast track it.  Sounds like a trustworthy government entity that isn't over powerful, corrupt and full of kickbacks.

What exactly would you have them do?  CDC/FDA pulled the J&J within a day of seeing data that suggested it was causing clotting issues in a specific age range.  They changed the recommended age range where the issues were not being seen and resumed its use, though most people in the USA opted for Pfizer or Monderna because their efficacy was dramatically higher. 

Just saying, there may be some room for being cautious about the FDA and mega pharm

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https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/...4213362692

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

Distrust of the CDC.....now this from the FDA. How long will it take for people to mistrust them as well? Whatever doesn't fit their agendas gets dismissed. The majority of doctors, nurses, the CDC , the FDA.....where does it end? Its NUTS. 

So you say we should blindly trust Johnson and Johnson?  They would never allow anything to harm anyone for profit.  yeah, the FDA won't approve medicines for years, but on this they fast track it.  Sounds like a trustworthy government entity that isn't over powerful, corrupt and full of kickbacks.

What exactly would you have them do?  CDC/FDA pulled the J&J within a day of seeing data that suggested it was causing clotting issues in a specific age range.  They changed the recommended age range where the issues were not being seen and resumed its use, though most people in the USA opted for Pfizer or Monderna because their efficacy was dramatically higher. 

Just saying, there may be some room for being cautious about the FDA and mega pharm

Merck owns ivermectin.  Why not question them?  

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

Distrust of the CDC.....now this from the FDA. How long will it take for people to mistrust them as well? Whatever doesn't fit their agendas gets dismissed. The majority of doctors, nurses, the CDC , the FDA.....where does it end? Its NUTS. 

So you say we should blindly trust Johnson and Johnson?  They would never allow anything to harm anyone for profit.  yeah, the FDA won't approve medicines for years, but on this they fast track it.  Sounds like a trustworthy government entity that isn't over powerful, corrupt and full of kickbacks.

What exactly would you have them do?  CDC/FDA pulled the J&J within a day of seeing data that suggested it was causing clotting issues in a specific age range.  They changed the recommended age range where the issues were not being seen and resumed its use, though most people in the USA opted for Pfizer or Monderna because their efficacy was dramatically higher. 

Just saying, there may be some room for being cautious about the FDA and mega pharm

Merck owns ivermectin.  Why not question them?  

Because it has been around for decades and a proven safe medicine. 

The shrill talking point AGR really isn't a good look.

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

Distrust of the CDC.....now this from the FDA. How long will it take for people to mistrust them as well? Whatever doesn't fit their agendas gets dismissed. The majority of doctors, nurses, the CDC , the FDA.....where does it end? Its NUTS. 

So you say we should blindly trust Johnson and Johnson?  They would never allow anything to harm anyone for profit.  yeah, the FDA won't approve medicines for years, but on this they fast track it.  Sounds like a trustworthy government entity that isn't over powerful, corrupt and full of kickbacks.

What exactly would you have them do?  CDC/FDA pulled the J&J within a day of seeing data that suggested it was causing clotting issues in a specific age range.  They changed the recommended age range where the issues were not being seen and resumed its use, though most people in the USA opted for Pfizer or Monderna because their efficacy was dramatically higher. 

Just saying, there may be some room for being cautious about the FDA and mega pharm

Merck owns ivermectin.  Why not question them?  

Because it has been around for decades and a proven safe medicine. 

The shrill talking point AGR really isn't a good look.

Gotcha….here is Merck on their own drug. Do we trust them or not?

• No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; 
• No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; 
• A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/...index.html

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@StickyBun said:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/...index.html

What happens to Dr. Frankenstein and his monster? 

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