It has been an ongoing clusterfuck. The troops were not going to be there forever. Absolutely going in after 9/11 was a given. Beyond that, it was a mess. Main focus is getting everyone home. The refugees are going to be the fallout.
I'm glad we're gone. I wish we would have left 20 years ago. Its all of our fault, voters and politicians that we were still there. The ones I feel bad for are the ones that helped us when we were there and wont get evacuated.
Just think what productive things we could have done with $2T dollars that we wasted. We could have put man on Mars. We could have solved world hunger. We could have rebuilt the interstate system. Hell we could have paid down some debt lol. Or they could have written every man, women and child in the USA a $6k check.
Why did the Afghan Military Fall So Quickly?
Retired US Army Gen. Wesley Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander, told CNN's Rosemary Church that despite the Taliban having committed to an opaque "general amnesty" for all Afghans, the group has "a long track record of doing the opposite."
"The people of Afghanistan, they don't trust it," Clark said. Clark also explained why he believes the Afghan military fell so quickly to the Taliban.
He explained that many of the foot soldiers that make up the military saw the job as a paycheck, not a cause. The Afghan National Army was formed after the fall of the Taliban, made up of various tribes and factions that historically did not always get along.
Here's how Clark explained it:
Quote:"The truth is that these people in Afghanistan have been through this before.
This is a country that's been at war for 40 years. People signed up with the Afghan military to make money. They fired their weapons.
Did they want to die in service of the Afghan military? Remember, Afghanistan is not a conventional nation. It's really tribal. And so they were earning a paycheck -- some of them didn't even get that paycheck -- but they did not sign up to fight to the death, for the most part."
"This is an old Afghan trick -- they go with the winners, or at least they run away form the losers, and that's why it happened so quickly. Now whether that could have been anticipated or not, we'll just have to wait and see."
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Why did the Afghan Military Fall So Quickly?
Retired US Army Gen. Wesley Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander, told CNN's Rosemary Church that despite the Taliban having committed to an opaque "general amnesty" for all Afghans, the group has "a long track record of doing the opposite."
"The people of Afghanistan, they don't trust it," Clark said. Clark also explained why he believes the Afghan military fell so quickly to the Taliban.
He explained that many of the foot soldiers that make up the military saw the job as a paycheck, not a cause. The Afghan National Army was formed after the fall of the Taliban, made up of various tribes and factions that historically did not always get along.
Here's how Clark explained it:
"The truth is that these people in Afghanistan have been through this before.
This is a country that's been at war for 40 years. People signed up with the Afghan military to make money. They fired their weapons.
Did they want to die in service of the Afghan military? Remember, Afghanistan is not a conventional nation. It's really tribal. And so they were earning a paycheck -- some of them didn't even get that paycheck -- but they did not sign up to fight to the death, for the most part."
"This is an old Afghan trick -- they go with the winners, or at least they run away form the losers, and that's why it happened so quickly. Now whether that could have been anticipated or not, we'll just have to wait and see."
and billions of dollars can't buy freedom for people who don't want it. As soon as it was the Afghan military's lives on the line, they disappeared or changed their outfit.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Why did the Afghan Military Fall So Quickly?
Retired US Army Gen. Wesley Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander, told CNN's Rosemary Church that despite the Taliban having committed to an opaque "general amnesty" for all Afghans, the group has "a long track record of doing the opposite."
"The people of Afghanistan, they don't trust it," Clark said. Clark also explained why he believes the Afghan military fell so quickly to the Taliban.
He explained that many of the foot soldiers that make up the military saw the job as a paycheck, not a cause. The Afghan National Army was formed after the fall of the Taliban, made up of various tribes and factions that historically did not always get along.
Here's how Clark explained it:
"The truth is that these people in Afghanistan have been through this before.
This is a country that's been at war for 40 years. People signed up with the Afghan military to make money. They fired their weapons.
Did they want to die in service of the Afghan military? Remember, Afghanistan is not a conventional nation. It's really tribal. And so they were earning a paycheck -- some of them didn't even get that paycheck -- but they did not sign up to fight to the death, for the most part."
"This is an old Afghan trick -- they go with the winners, or at least they run away form the losers, and that's why it happened so quickly. Now whether that could have been anticipated or not, we'll just have to wait and see."
and billions of dollars can't buy freedom for people who don't want it. As soon as it was the Afghan military's lives on the line, they disappeared or changed their outfit.
then they didnt have the heart of a soldier/patriot and they would have been slaughtered like sheep if they had stood their ground. the shit that is going on over there isnt war, its barbaric genocide, and the taliban has been training for this their entire lives. think about it, those that are swarming down and taking over Afghanistan have been tempered and sharpened through 20 years of facing the best fighting force the world has ever known.... and they are now leading the assault against unbacked people that have shit for experience at the leadership level.
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