Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-doctor-sa...17137.html
Read this yesterday. It's a sad story that likely plays out every day at one hospital or another...
“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” she said of her COVID-19 patients.
“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.
“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’.”
But they were wrong, she said, and they can’t go back.
“So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives,” she wrote.
And then there's this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-hospitali...32588.html
So he should get the shot now that he has already had covid? Cuz SCIENCE!
It's not about that. It's about him saying that even if he could've prevented his hospitalization by getting the shot, would he? His answer was no.
So here's a man, through nothing more than stupidity, ignorance and belligerence, refuses the vaccine, gets sick, and then puts at risk family members and hospital staff obligated to care for him. He doesn't seem to care about any of that, or how much it cost whoever is paying for it.
Makes me wonder how far away are we from this affecting insurance rates. Will there come a time when insurance companies require proof of vaccination for certain rates? Rates are higher for smokers, and those in high risk jobs. What about deniers? Or will it impact ALL of our rates the way obligated healthcare for the poor and the uninsured currently do?
I think that could very well be an outcome...And I will post this again (and I'd wager $$ on it) that once the FDA formally approves these vaccines (vs emergency use today) there will be a big old wave of employers and Fed agencies that will require it to remain employed.
very likely. and then it will be the flu shot, and then it will be something else, hell at some point they may say you can only have so many children....
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Alabama governor has had enough...
“Let’s be crystal clear about this issue. And media, I want you to start reporting the facts. The new cases of COVID are because of unvaccinated folks. Almost 100% of the new hospitalizations are with unvaccinated folks. And the deaths are certainly occurring with the unvaccinated folks. These folks are choosing a horrible lifestyle of self-inflicted pain,” Gov. Ivey said during an event for Landing in Birmingham Thursday.
When asked how the state can get more shots into the arms of residents, Ivey did not hold back her displeasure with the lack of success previous plans have had.
“I don’t know, you tell me. Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the vaccinated folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down,” she said. “I’ve done all I know how to do. I can encourage you to do something but I can’t make you take care of yourself.
After everything she did to block access and mismanage the state's response, I guess this is something. It took long enough.
Quote: @medaille said:
So is there a definition of what an
"outbreak among the unvaccinated" is according to the NFL rule, or is
the NFL going to play it by ear? Are we going to have one
week where the media darling team have an outbreak which is “not an outbreak”
and they get to keep playing, but then the Browns have an outbreak which “is an
outbreak” and they forfeit the game to the some other favored team? Is there a specific number of people that
constitute an “outbreak”? What if one
team has an outbreak of 5 people and the other team has an outbreak of 15
people. Do they both forfeit the game?
What happens if there’s an outbreak but it
includes vaccinated people, similar to what happened with the Texas Democrats
in Washington or if there’s a new variant the vaccine is ineffective against? Does that game get forfeited or does it get
postponed?
Furthermore, what prevents vaccinated players with low
symptom, breakthrough covid-19 from playing in games? Is it just the honor system? We already know that the pressure is so great
that they’ll play through sickness, injuries, concussions, family deaths, etc. and
that we need external systems to keep them off the field like the concussion
protocol.
To me this just seems like a recipe for ignoring all the Covid
cases for vaccinated people and counting all the Covid cases for unvaccinated
people. These players aren’t likely to
have devastating symptoms and could probably work through things with whatever
drugs they give them for normal stuff.
You think the NFL would abuse this policy for financial gain? Unheard of.
IMO it is simply another cudgel to beat people with. They threw in the UNPAID to ramp up the peer pressure. Honestly, if I were Thielen, Hopkins and some of these others that have generational wealth, I would walk away. Now I understand the competitive nature likely won't do that, but I would call their bluff. F it, you want to punish people for making a private medical decision, so be it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-doctor-sa...17137.html
Read this yesterday. It's a sad story that likely plays out every day at one hospital or another...
“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” she said of her COVID-19 patients.
“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.
“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’.”
But they were wrong, she said, and they can’t go back.
“So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives,” she wrote.
And then there's this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-hospitali...32588.html
So he should get the shot now that he has already had covid? Cuz SCIENCE!
It's not about that. It's about him saying that even if he could've prevented his hospitalization by getting the shot, would he? His answer was no.
So here's a man, through nothing more than stupidity, ignorance and belligerence, refuses the vaccine, gets sick, and then puts at risk family members and hospital staff obligated to care for him. He doesn't seem to care about any of that, or how much it cost whoever is paying for it.
Makes me wonder how far away are we from this affecting insurance rates. Will there come a time when insurance companies require proof of vaccination for certain rates? Rates are higher for smokers, and those in high risk jobs. What about deniers? Or will it impact ALL of our rates the way obligated healthcare for the poor and the uninsured currently do?
I don't doubt that is the next stick they may use.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-doctor-sa...17137.html
Read this yesterday. It's a sad story that likely plays out every day at one hospital or another...
“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” she said of her COVID-19 patients.
“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.
“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’.”
But they were wrong, she said, and they can’t go back.
“So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives,” she wrote.
And then there's this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-hospitali...32588.html
So he should get the shot now that he has already had covid? Cuz SCIENCE!
It's not about that. It's about him saying that even if he could've prevented his hospitalization by getting the shot, would he? His answer was no.
So here's a man, through nothing more than stupidity, ignorance and belligerence, refuses the vaccine, gets sick, and then puts at risk family members and hospital staff obligated to care for him. He doesn't seem to care about any of that, or how much it cost whoever is paying for it.
Makes me wonder how far away are we from this affecting insurance rates. Will there come a time when insurance companies require proof of vaccination for certain rates? Rates are higher for smokers, and those in high risk jobs. What about deniers? Or will it impact ALL of our rates the way obligated healthcare for the poor and the uninsured currently do?
I think that could very well be an outcome...And I will post this again (and I'd wager $$ on it) that once the FDA formally approves these vaccines (vs emergency use today) there will be a big old wave of employers and Fed agencies that will require it to remain employed.
very likely. and then it will be the flu shot, and then it will be something else, hell at some point they may say you can only have so many children....
Yep, the next slippery slope that will make America un-great, the cycle never ends.
Looks like you dont want to be a non-vaccinated coach as well. Vikes just canned Rick Dennison for refusing the vaccine
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
Looks like you dont want to be a non-vaccinated coach as well. Vikes just canned Rick Dennison for refusing the vaccine
Really?
Quote: @greediron said:
@ medaille said:
So is there a definition of what an
"outbreak among the unvaccinated" is according to the NFL rule, or is
the NFL going to play it by ear? Are we going to have one
week where the media darling team have an outbreak which is “not an outbreak”
and they get to keep playing, but then the Browns have an outbreak which “is an
outbreak” and they forfeit the game to the some other favored team? Is there a specific number of people that
constitute an “outbreak”? What if one
team has an outbreak of 5 people and the other team has an outbreak of 15
people. Do they both forfeit the game?
What happens if there’s an outbreak but it
includes vaccinated people, similar to what happened with the Texas Democrats
in Washington or if there’s a new variant the vaccine is ineffective against? Does that game get forfeited or does it get
postponed?
Furthermore, what prevents vaccinated players with low
symptom, breakthrough covid-19 from playing in games? Is it just the honor system? We already know that the pressure is so great
that they’ll play through sickness, injuries, concussions, family deaths, etc. and
that we need external systems to keep them off the field like the concussion
protocol.
To me this just seems like a recipe for ignoring all the Covid
cases for vaccinated people and counting all the Covid cases for unvaccinated
people. These players aren’t likely to
have devastating symptoms and could probably work through things with whatever
drugs they give them for normal stuff.
You think the NFL would abuse this policy for financial gain? Unheard of.
IMO it is simply another cudgel to beat people with. They threw in the UNPAID to ramp up the peer pressure. Honestly, if I were Thielen, Hopkins and some of these others that have generational wealth, I would walk away. Now I understand the competitive nature likely won't do that, but I would call their bluff. F it, you want to punish people for making a private medical decision, so be it.
What I imagine will happen is that they will continue to virtue
signal that they’re on the side of team pro-vaccine, tough on the anti-covid-vaccine people until
it isn’t as marketable and they have to actually do something, and then they’ll just do whatever is marketable at that
time, and ignore any logical inconsistencies.
I imagine the season will look something like this.
- Nobodies
testing vaccinated players for Covid, so Covid rates for them will be
non-existent.
- You’ll
continue to get the small handful of players who test positive for Covid, whether
they have symptoms or not, but it will be less than last year, because
they’re testing less people.
- Some
team that nobody cares about, like the Bengals or whatever, will get made
an example of and forfeit a game based on an arbitrary ruling.
- Then
because the universe hates hypocrisy, some team that’s a media darling,
will have something worse happen, and they’ll handwave it a way with some
BS explanation that doesn’t make any sense, and we’ll all see it. They’ll say something like they did with
the Texas Democrats, where they redefined what a superspreader event was to
not include if it happened to people that were trying to do the right
thing, or when Fauci redefined “Gain of Function” research to not include the
Gain of Function research he wanted to fund that was illegal at the time.
- They’ll
play all the games except for the one example game, because the NFL likes
money more than it wants to do right.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ greediron said:
@ medaille said:
So is there a definition of what an
"outbreak among the unvaccinated" is according to the NFL rule, or is
the NFL going to play it by ear? Are we going to have one
week where the media darling team have an outbreak which is “not an outbreak”
and they get to keep playing, but then the Browns have an outbreak which “is an
outbreak” and they forfeit the game to the some other favored team? Is there a specific number of people that
constitute an “outbreak”? What if one
team has an outbreak of 5 people and the other team has an outbreak of 15
people. Do they both forfeit the game?
What happens if there’s an outbreak but it
includes vaccinated people, similar to what happened with the Texas Democrats
in Washington or if there’s a new variant the vaccine is ineffective against? Does that game get forfeited or does it get
postponed?
Furthermore, what prevents vaccinated players with low
symptom, breakthrough covid-19 from playing in games? Is it just the honor system? We already know that the pressure is so great
that they’ll play through sickness, injuries, concussions, family deaths, etc. and
that we need external systems to keep them off the field like the concussion
protocol.
To me this just seems like a recipe for ignoring all the Covid
cases for vaccinated people and counting all the Covid cases for unvaccinated
people. These players aren’t likely to
have devastating symptoms and could probably work through things with whatever
drugs they give them for normal stuff.
You think the NFL would abuse this policy for financial gain? Unheard of.
IMO it is simply another cudgel to beat people with. They threw in the UNPAID to ramp up the peer pressure. Honestly, if I were Thielen, Hopkins and some of these others that have generational wealth, I would walk away. Now I understand the competitive nature likely won't do that, but I would call their bluff. F it, you want to punish people for making a private medical decision, so be it.
What I imagine will happen is that they will continue to virtue
signal that they’re on the side of team pro-vaccine, tough on the anti-covid-vaccine people until
it isn’t as marketable and they have to actually do something, and then they’ll just do whatever is marketable at that
time, and ignore any logical inconsistencies.
I imagine the season will look something like this.
- Nobodies
testing vaccinated players for Covid, so Covid rates for them will be
non-existent.
- You’ll
continue to get the small handful of players who test positive for Covid, whether
they have symptoms or not, but it will be less than last year, because
they’re testing less people.
- Some
team that nobody cares about, like the Bengals or whatever, will get made
an example of and forfeit a game based on an arbitrary ruling.
- Then
because the universe hates hypocrisy, some team that’s a media darling,
will have something worse happen, and they’ll handwave it a way with some
BS explanation that doesn’t make any sense, and we’ll all see it. They’ll say something like they did with
the Texas Democrats, where they redefined what a superspreader event was to
not include if it happened to people that were trying to do the right
thing, or when Fauci redefined “Gain of Function” research to not include the
Gain of Function research he wanted to fund that was illegal at the time.
- They’ll
play all the games except for the one example game, because the NFL likes
money more than it wants to do right.
You summed it up quite well.
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