Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ VikeMike52 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1398275938148814848
Came too light. Had to be for Fields or Slater. Funny thing is, Carolina probably could have had Horn at #14.
Regardless, still very happy with the way things ended up.
I'm more than happy with the outcome.
Honestly, it remains to be seen. Chicago is PUMPED they got Fields. Only time will tell. My point being right now, everyone is happy with everything. In 3 years, some will be a lot happier than others.
Unless you have an Elite QB, an awful lot can happen in 3 years in the NFL. That's a lifetime.
If the Bears found the next Mahomes? Everyone will be crediting them for having brass balls and making a move to get him. If he's the next Trubisky? They'll be crucified by fans and press.
I applaud them for not getting gun-shy after Mitch and trying to fix a perennial problem.
I may live to regret saying that, but I'm with Simms on Fields. I wouldn't put Mond over him like Simms did, but I think Mond has just as much potential to be a franchise QB. And, unlike the Bears, he cost us nothing. Zip, zilch, nada.
Its all a gamble. But if you hit, you HIT. And the Bears may have. Mond was a 3rd rounder for a reason, at least more than likely.
One team moved up to #8 to get a guy. Another team got him by staying and taking a guy in the 3rd round. The problem is the odds aren't the same. Fields could easily be a bust, but Mond overwhelmingly will probably be a never-was. That's just the truth of it.
The truth of it is that we just don't know.
Less than half of the QBs taken in the 1st round ever have a season where they throw 24 TDs. 24 TDs. That is a very low bar. For example, Kirk Cousins has never once thrown UNDER 24 TDs. He had 35 last year.
Do the odds favor the Bears? Yeah, of course, but not nearly as much as one might think. The odds favor the team who can give its QB time to learn.
What's more, the Vikings were clearly not serious about moving up. 90 and 143 to move from 14 to 8? LOL. That's about half of what it would typically cost to make that move.
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well I wouldn't say he cost us nothing--there is opportunity cost of player x at his spot but no additional capital to sellect him.
Just saying that we generated the capital ourselves to make that pick. It didn't exist going into the draft. What's more, it didn't cost the Vikings anything to generate that capital. We took Darrisaw at 23 and we likely would've taken Darrisaw at 14. That's what I mean by no cost.
Either way, Fields will be entertaining and they dont have to rush him with Dalton on the roster. Sure there'll be pressure to put him in after their first loss (or 1st int) but I think Nagy will be smart about it.
The question I have if I'm a Bears fan is will Fields develop quickly enough to pair him with a superb bunch of dawgs on D?
For the purple, Darrisaw gives us a chance to maximize the Capt'n investment and all the magnificent weapons we have on offense.
Cook, ISJ, AT, Jet is a pretty damn good roster...
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Either way, Fields will be entertaining and they dont have to rush him with Dalton on the roster. Sure there'll be pressure to put him in after their first loss (or 1st int) but I think Nagy will be smart about it.
The question I have if I'm a Bears fan is will Fields develop quickly enough to pair him with a superb bunch of dawgs on D?
For the purple, Darrisaw gives us a chance to maximize the Capt'n investment and all the magnificent weapons we have on offense.
Cook, ISJ, AT, Jet is a pretty damn good roster...
At the bold, I think this was the better route. You got a top third QB who has been exceptional (best in the league) from a clean pocket. Why not try to give him a clean pocket more often?
Drafting Fields would be exciting. And scary. And it would cause so much fan and media chaos and nonsense. Vikings were wise to avoid that with a top QB already on board. The lowball trade offer was probably them publicly showing interest in a QB and avoiding it at the same time.
The offensive weapons are top level. Just saw where the top WR duo (according to PFF grade) was ours. 2nd was the Bills. In other words, Diggs. So that says a lot right there. I think the Falcons and Bucs were up there. Now, how many of those top duos have a back like Cook? There can't be a better QB-RB-WR-WR combo in the NFL.
The offer was very feeble so not like we had a true conviction/desire to take a particular player at 8. I think the offer was to get Slater, not Fields. But again just a flyer trade offer. I had Darrisaw right there with Slater so I am thrilled we were able to get Darrisaw and two other draft picks - Spelly is a draft master - IMO. I think Darrisaw is a true LT while Slater might be a RT/Guard down the road.
Basically - I was pre draft and now post draft that Darrisaw was the better prospect for us. I know most had Slater.
I also think the Bears got very very good value in Fields. In almost any other draft in the last 15 years Fields would have been a Top 1 -3 pick - IMO.
Quote: @minny65 said:
The offer was very feeble so not like we had a true conviction/desire to take a particular player at 8. I think the offer was to get Slater, not Fields. But again just a flyer trade offer. I had Darrisaw right there with Slater so I am thrilled we were able to get Darrisaw and two other draft picks - Spelly is a draft master - IMO. I think Darrisaw is a true LT while Slater might be a RT/Guard down the road.
Basically - I was pre draft and now post draft that Darrisaw was the better prospect for us. I know most had Slater.
I also think the Bears got very very good value in Fields. In almost any other draft in the last 15 years Fields would have been a Top 1 -3 pick - IMO.
yes, I agree, the target was Slater, not Fields. I knew he wouldn't get past the Chargers and that's why they went to 8,9, & 10 to try and get him.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Akvike said:
well I wouldn't say he cost us nothing--there is opportunity cost of player x at his spot but no additional capital to sellect him.
Just saying that we generated the capital ourselves to make that pick. It didn't exist going into the draft. What's more, it didn't cost the Vikings anything to generate that capital. We took Darrisaw at 23 and we likely would've taken Darrisaw at 14. That's what I mean by no cost.
Other then an hour of nervous energy from every Vikingfan watching.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
The offensive weapons are top level. Just saw where the top WR duo (according to PFF grade) was ours. 2nd was the Bills. In other words, Diggs. So that says a lot right there. I think the Falcons and Bucs were up there. Now, how many of those top duos have a back like Cook? There can't be a better QB-RB-WR-WR combo in the NFL.
And just like that, Dustin Baker runs the numbers. There isn't.
https://twitter.com/DustBaker/status/139...18274?s=20
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ MaroonBells said:
The offensive weapons are top level. Just saw where the top WR duo (according to PFF grade) was ours. 2nd was the Bills. In other words, Diggs. So that says a lot right there. I think the Falcons and Bucs were up there. Now, how many of those top duos have a back like Cook? There can't be a better QB-RB-WR-WR combo in the NFL.
And just like that, Dustin Baker runs the numbers. There isn't.
https://twitter.com/DustBaker/status/139...18274?s=20
Its interesting. It also shows you how consistently underrated Kirk Cousins is by everyone, Viking's fans included.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MaroonBells said:
The offensive weapons are top level. Just saw where the top WR duo (according to PFF grade) was ours. 2nd was the Bills. In other words, Diggs. So that says a lot right there. I think the Falcons and Bucs were up there. Now, how many of those top duos have a back like Cook? There can't be a better QB-RB-WR-WR combo in the NFL.
And just like that, Dustin Baker runs the numbers. There isn't.
https://twitter.com/DustBaker/status/139...18274?s=20
Its interesting. It also shows you how consistently underrated Kirk Cousins is by everyone, Viking's fans included.
Yep. Cousins is being carried a little by the terrific grades by the back and the two wides, as is ISJ, but still, the numbers spell it out clearly (at least in terms of PFF grade): Vikings have the best offensive weapons in the NFL.
If there's any justice in the world, that line (with two 1sts, two 2nds and a 3rd) will rise up to join them this season.
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