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Where Minnesota Vikings Offensive Players Fall in PFF's 2021 Positional Rankings (msn.com)
2 of our OL: Pretty harsh on Bradburry
Brian O'Neill: No. 30 Offensive Tackle PFF's explanation:
Quote:O’Neill has been average at best in pass protection throughout his three-year career, but he's made major strides in the run game. He improved his run-blocking grade from 58.3 as a rookie to 70.2 in 2019 to a top-10 mark of 83.7 in 2020. O’Neill is tied for 18th in pressure rate allowed in that span but ranks just 41st in pass-blocking grade, meaning he is still losing far too many reps despite not being credited with an abundance of pressures allowed.
My analysis:
Some Vikings fans will see this ranking as too low, but the points are valid. O'Neill is a very good right tackle — not a great one. In order to make that leap into the elite tier, he needs to become more consistent in pass protection; his sack and pressure numbers don't tell the whole story there. If I'm the Vikings, I'd be willing to bet on O'Neill continuing to improve by signing him to an extension this offseason.
Garrett Bradbury: No. 27 Center PFF's explanation:
Quote:Bradbury has shown redeeming qualities as a run blocker over his first two NFL seasons, but it’s hard to ignore just how poor he has been in pass protection. He ranks last at the position in pressure rate allowed (5.2%) and pass-blocking grade (36.3) since 2019. He hasn’t been dominant enough as a run blocker to look past those numbers.
My analysis:
Bradbury absolutely deserves to be near the bottom of the list when it comes to ranking the NFL's starting centers, and he's on the verge of "bust" territory heading into a critical third season. He's simply been unable to anchor effectively against powerful defensive tackles through the first two years of his career. The hope is that Ezra Cleveland and Wyatt Davis will be the best guard pairing Bradbury has had next to him in the NFL, and those two — combined with his own improvement and added strength — will help elevate his play. We'll see.
Quote: @minny65 said:
Where Minnesota Vikings Offensive Players Fall in PFF's 2021 Positional Rankings (msn.com)
2 of our OL: Pretty harsh on Bradburry
Brian O'Neill: No. 30 Offensive TacklePFF's explanation:
O’Neill has been average at best in pass protection throughout his three-year career, but he's made major strides in the run game. He improved his run-blocking grade from 58.3 as a rookie to 70.2 in 2019 to a top-10 mark of 83.7 in 2020. O’Neill is tied for 18th in pressure rate allowed in that span but ranks just 41st in pass-blocking grade, meaning he is still losing far too many reps despite not being credited with an abundance of pressures allowed.
My analysis:
Some Vikings fans will see this ranking as too low, but the points are valid. O'Neill is a very good right tackle — not a great one. In order to make that leap into the elite tier, he needs to become more consistent in pass protection; his sack and pressure numbers don't tell the whole story there. If I'm the Vikings, I'd be willing to bet on O'Neill continuing to improve by signing him to an extension this offseason.
Garrett Bradbury: No. 27 CenterPFF's explanation:
Quote:Bradbury has shown redeeming qualities as a run blocker over his first two NFL seasons, but it’s hard to ignore just how poor he has been in pass protection. He ranks last at the position in pressure rate allowed (5.2%) and pass-blocking grade (36.3) since 2019. He hasn’t been dominant enough as a run blocker to look past those numbers.
My analysis:
Bradbury absolutely deserves to be near the bottom of the list when it comes to ranking the NFL's starting centers, and he's on the verge of "bust" territory heading into a critical third season. He's simply been unable to anchor effectively against powerful defensive tackles through the first two years of his career. The hope is that Ezra Cleveland and Wyatt Davis will be the best guard pairing Bradbury has had next to him in the NFL, and those two — combined with his own improvement and added strength — will help elevate his play. We'll see.
Very fair comments. Oneil seems to be better in pass pro than the stats say but bradbury has been disappointing in the pass pro. Now if you add on screen blocking as part of the pass grade it prolly comes up a bit. I dont understand why they dont use Hammer or Conklin as a 3 rd down/H back for the ability to help out on inside pressure.
Hopefully Bradburys technique is perfected cause his ass aint getting any heavier.
cant argue with what was said about Bradbury IMO. ONeill might be a bit harsh, but last year he started to show cracks at times and the only reason his sack numbers werent worse was because Doziers guy got there before ONeills man was able to.
Seems quite harsh on O'Neill. But then again, it is PFF grading something they don't understand. Individual grades on a team unit that relies on each other.
I never bought into the major hype on O'Neill when many were saying he never allowed a sack through his first 2 years, but he has been pretty dang solid.
Quote: @greediron said:
Seems quite harsh on O'Neill. But then again, it is PFF grading something they don't understand. Individual grades on a team unit that relies on each other.
I never bought into the major hype on O'Neill when many were saying he never allowed a sack through his first 2 years, but he has been pretty dang solid.
Its not necessarily hard to be the hot chick at fat camp. When the rest of the unit is a steaming pile, we'll take anything we can get!!!
I don't really care about the PFF numbers. Our shitty OLine doesn't deserve any homerism. The OLine just needs to be a lot better by any and all metrics.
Quote: @medaille said:
I don't really care about the PFF numbers. Our shitty OLine doesn't deserve any homerism. The OLine just needs to be a lot better by any and all metrics.
Yes, and PFF is as unbiased as any fan. People might not like how they grade (and it is not perfect) but I think it is better then 99.9% of the general population.
This is a pivotal year for our pivot. I think with a better surround he should improve. I don't, however, think he's "in bust territory." I compare him to our last bust at the position, Pat Elflein. Whereas Elflein did nothing particularly impressive, Bradbury does frequently. Unlike Elflein, you see Bradbury's speed and athleticism show up big on reach and 2nd level blocks in the run game. We'll see if another year of development, and putting better guards around him, leads to more consistent pass pro numbers.
I'd say O'Neill's outlook is pretty accurate. He seems to me right in the middle of all tackles and in the top third among right tackles. I'm good with that considering he's still very young. The whole line is easily the NFL's youngest, and should improve dramatically over the next couple years.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
This is a pivotal year for our pivot. I think with a better surround he should improve. I don't, however, think he's "in bust territory." I compare him to our last bust at the position, Pat Elflein. Whereas Elflein did nothing particularly impressive, Bradbury does frequently. Unlike Elflein, you see Bradbury's speed and athleticism show up big on reach and 2nd level blocks in the run game. We'll see if another year of development, and putting better guards around him, leads to more consistent pass pro numbers.
I'd say O'Neill's outlook is pretty accurate. He seems to me right in the middle of all tackles and in the top third among right tackles. I'm good with that considering he's still very young. The whole line is easily the NFL's youngest, and should improve dramatically over the next couple years.
If Bradbury cant find an anchor in Pass Pro IMO he is very much on the same track as Elf, athletic but just to light in the ass to play IOL in the NFL. We need our IOL to be able to get a push in short yardage runs and to set the front of the pocket on pass plays, Bradbury has never shown either with enough consistency to be much more than a hold your breath and hope type of pick.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
This is a pivotal year for our pivot. I think with a better surround he should improve. I don't, however, think he's "in bust territory." I compare him to our last bust at the position, Pat Elflein. Whereas Elflein did nothing particularly impressive, Bradbury does frequently. Unlike Elflein, you see Bradbury's speed and athleticism show up big on reach and 2nd level blocks in the run game. We'll see if another year of development, and putting better guards around him, leads to more consistent pass pro numbers.
I'd say O'Neill's outlook is pretty accurate. He seems to me right in the middle of all tackles and in the top third among right tackles. I'm good with that considering he's still very young. The whole line is easily the NFL's youngest, and should improve dramatically over the next couple years.
If Bradbury cant find an anchor in Pass Pro IMO he is very much on the same track as Elf, athletic but just to light in the ass to play IOL in the NFL. We need our IOL to be able to get a push in short yardage runs and to set the front of the pocket on pass plays, Bradbury has never shown either with enough consistency to be much more than a hold your breath and hope type of pick.
I keep hearing that Elflein was athletic. Been hearing that since he was drafted and I don't know where it comes from. He was not athletic in the least. Not even in Bradbury's universe when it comes to strength and athleticism (see numbers below). Nor did Elf ever make the wow plays that Bradbury frequently does. But yeah, it's obvious Bradbury has to improve his pass pro. But for him, I'd say it's less about anchor and more about technique.
40 - Elf 5.3, Brad 4.9
Bench - Elf 22, Brad 34
Vert - Elf 23, Brad 31
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