Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun
Sticky, what is wrong with my statement above? AGR says if people choose to not get the shot and they get sick or worse its harsh? I dont see that as harsh, its the price of freedom. we are free to make our own choices and those choices all have consequences, what is wrong with expecting people to accept and deal with the results of their own decisions and actions?
What if your decision affects others?
Re-read what AGR wrote that I was responding to....
This is going to sound harsh....but if you're to stupid to not get vaccinated then you've cast your own lot. Good luck.
Let me add that my folks and brother are in that not getting vaccinated crowd. At this point they get what they get.
I simply said his sentiment was not harsh, we live in a free country and getting vaccinated is a free choice, if people that choose to forgo vaccination get sick or worse, that is the consequence of their choice and stating it as AGR did IMO is not harsh at all, but simply stating the facts of the matter.
jimmy, re-read what I was responding to, you said this:
"what is harsh about that? if you are an adult and look at the information out there and make a decision for yourself based on that information then that is the essence of freedom right there."
dont worry, I dont plan on attending any Vikings games this fall so you wont come in contact with my high risk ass.
lol, I don't care. I'm vaccinated. You've completely missed my point with the high horse response. You told me you were getting vaccinated, but you were going to wait. There's no reason to wait. None. Your reason for waiting isn't valid. The CDC says you don't need a mask anymore anywhere if you're vaccinated. Sounds good to me.
There was no high horse response... it is simply how I see it, if I or anybody else chooses to do wait or skip the shot and we get sick or die... then that is the consequence of our decision and will have live (or not) with that consequence.
as far as the CDCs new announcement... I havent worn a mask anywhere that they werent required yet... if I felt that a place wasnt safe I didnt go in, if I felt that I was a threat to somebody I stayed away from people. right or wrong most of SD lived through this thing without the draconian regulations that other places and people have lived under. Even with the vaccine I can still get the virus and transmit the virus so aside from a lower level of symptoms, which most people never got or said were no worse than a simple cold, i dont see the huge rush. If you feel better and safer, more power to you, if you want to look down your nose at me for following my own route, I cant stop you and honestly I dont care. I have said all along that if people want to wear masks, go ahead, if they didnt then dont, if business owners want to have a mask mandate, then follow them or dont go there. if businesses want to say I can come in without a vaccine, I wont go.
Let me ask you this, do you think they know all there is to know about this vaccine and how to best roll it out? or are they simply rolling with the punches and reacting as they encounter new data? Have you seen the reports that they are now saying that its better to wait up to 3 months between your first and second doses of Pfizer for a maximized immune response? up to three times greater response by waiting between the shots? They are still learning and modifying their shot and how they will deploy it. I will get mine in the fall.
It's going to be a complex landscape for the avg joe or jane to navigate re: masks.
MN opened-up, but Mpls/St Paul??? Nope, not yet
Then you've got certain businesses that will require and some not:
Not required if your vaccinated: Costco, Trader Joes/WM & Sams
Required regardless if vaccinated: Kroger and countless others
Do I trust the honor system? Hell no.
Where I work? HR just asked for vaccine cards from those who've been vaccinated, policy decisions in process. An employer can ask to see your card if you've got one.
I hope (expect) that they tell everyone who hasn't turned in a card, that you'll be wearing a mask indoors, at work until you do.
Bottom line, dont toss the masks quite yet.
I've had some discussions with people who havent been vaxed yet and try to be sensitive and open. Sometimes they're dumb-aszes, but more often than not they're just hesitant and scared. Some just dont care much about others or Covid hasn't killed someone close to them or had a high enough mortality rate to scare them.
My own personal perspective is if you arent compromised by something physically or religiously? Now is the time to do it for the greater good of everyone around you. The Vax is incredibly effective and 100's of mm's are proving how safe they are.
Them variants wont die by themselves...
2nd Moderna shot a week ago, minor symptoms for a couple of days, then nothing.
The first shot was brutal for two weeks, the 2nd was minor for 2 days.
Not saying pro, con, or whatever...just reporting what happened.
DUH...
Seven states have already reached the Biden administration's goal of vaccinating at least 70% of adults with at least one shot by July 4, data from CDC shows: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont. Over the past week, those seven states reported per capita case rates that were about 10% lower on average than those states that haven't yet vaccinated as many adults, according to JHU data -- an average of about 66 new cases per 100,000 people, compared to about 73 cases per 100,000 people.
And the gap in case rates widens along with disparities in vaccination rates.
Ten states have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents with at least one dose, and their average per capita case rate was about 19% higher than those seven states that have already reached the Biden administration's goal.
The 10 states that have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents -- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Wyoming -- reported an average of more than 78 new cases per 100,000 people over the past week.
"Clearly if you have geographic areas that are under-immunized, the virus is going to find them. It will continue to smolder, will continue to make people sick, will continue to send people to the hospital, and will continue to cause deaths," said Dr. William Schaffner, a member of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
As the virus spreads through these areas with low vaccination rates, it has many chances to change and become potentially even more dangerous.
"Every time this virus finds a new person, it multiplies. Every time it multiplies, it creates mutations that can spring off, and those mutations can create a variant that is so different that our current vaccine protection might not work or might not work as well," said Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/health/un...index.html
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
DUH...
Seven states have already reached the Biden administration's goal of vaccinating at least 70% of adults with at least one shot by July 4, data from CDC shows: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont.Over the past week, those seven states reported per capita case rates that were about 10% lower on average than those states that haven't yet vaccinated as many adults, according to JHU data -- an average of about 66 new cases per 100,000 people, compared to about 73 cases per 100,000 people.
And the gap in case rates widens along with disparities in vaccination rates.
Ten states have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents with at least one dose, and their average per capita case rate was about 19% higher than those seven states that have already reached the Biden administration's goal.
The 10 states that have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents -- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Wyoming -- reported an average of more than 78 new cases per 100,000 people over the past week.
"Clearly if you have geographic areas that are under-immunized, the virus is going to find them. It will continue to smolder, will continue to make people sick, will continue to send people to the hospital, and will continue to cause deaths," said Dr. William Schaffner, a member of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
As the virus spreads through these areas with low vaccination rates, it has many chances to change and become potentially even more dangerous.
"Every time this virus finds a new person, it multiplies. Every time it multiplies, it creates mutations that can spring off, and those mutations can create a variant that is so different that our current vaccine protection might not work or might not work as well," said Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/health/un...index.html
Yet some people want to 'wait'..... :/
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun
Sticky, what is wrong with my statement above? AGR says if people choose to not get the shot and they get sick or worse its harsh? I dont see that as harsh, its the price of freedom. we are free to make our own choices and those choices all have consequences, what is wrong with expecting people to accept and deal with the results of their own decisions and actions?
What if your decision affects others?
Re-read what AGR wrote that I was responding to....
This is going to sound harsh....but if you're to stupid to not get vaccinated then you've cast your own lot. Good luck.
Let me add that my folks and brother are in that not getting vaccinated crowd. At this point they get what they get.
I simply said his sentiment was not harsh, we live in a free country and getting vaccinated is a free choice, if people that choose to forgo vaccination get sick or worse, that is the consequence of their choice and stating it as AGR did IMO is not harsh at all, but simply stating the facts of the matter.
jimmy, re-read what I was responding to, you said this:
"what is harsh about that? if you are an adult and look at the information out there and make a decision for yourself based on that information then that is the essence of freedom right there."
yes.. i said that... its not harsh when people reap what they sow. should people get vaccinated, yes they likely should, is it a personal choice, every bit so. women choose to end their pregnancy's daily, often for selfish reasons, to the detriment of the child they are carrying but we dont seem to care about the greater good of that child in this country so I have a hard time buying the greater good line from the left on this one. about twice as many babies were killed by abortion last year compared to what we lost to covid. Where was the concern for the greater good when those govs were using nursing homes to house covid patients? Our state had crazy strong restrictions in place to attempt to keep covid out for as long as it could, while others completely ignored the obvious and directly killed thousands as a result... no concern for the greater good there at all. This whole virus thing has been handled so poorly by all involved that I am not going to condemn those that refuse to trust the govt or the CDC, and the track record of big pharma speaks for itself. I trust the vaccine, and I will get my shots when I plan to for reasons that I am comfortable with. My wife has gotten hers and I had no issue with that anymore than my son refuses to get his despite us pointing out that the misinformation campaign is almost complete shit.
dont worry, I dont plan on attending any Vikings games this fall so you wont come in contact with my high risk ass.
Or we don't seem to care about the bodily autonomy of women. We don't seem to care about women deciding what is best for their bodies and lives.
The anti-vaxxers want my body, my choice but don't want to let pro-choice people have that option. Pregnancies happen for a multitude of reasons but it is up to the individual that is directly impacted (the pregnant woman) to decide. You call it selfish and that is fine. People want to shame, guilt, force, blame, judge the woman's decision regardless.
We can't force people to get the vaccine, why should we force women into a decision that they do not feel is in their own best interests?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
DUH...
Seven states have already reached the Biden administration's goal of vaccinating at least 70% of adults with at least one shot by July 4, data from CDC shows: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont.Over the past week, those seven states reported per capita case rates that were about 10% lower on average than those states that haven't yet vaccinated as many adults, according to JHU data -- an average of about 66 new cases per 100,000 people, compared to about 73 cases per 100,000 people.
And the gap in case rates widens along with disparities in vaccination rates.
Ten states have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents with at least one dose, and their average per capita case rate was about 19% higher than those seven states that have already reached the Biden administration's goal.
The 10 states that have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents -- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Wyoming -- reported an average of more than 78 new cases per 100,000 people over the past week.
"Clearly if you have geographic areas that are under-immunized, the virus is going to find them. It will continue to smolder, will continue to make people sick, will continue to send people to the hospital, and will continue to cause deaths," said Dr. William Schaffner, a member of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
As the virus spreads through these areas with low vaccination rates, it has many chances to change and become potentially even more dangerous.
"Every time this virus finds a new person, it multiplies. Every time it multiplies, it creates mutations that can spring off, and those mutations can create a variant that is so different that our current vaccine protection might not work or might not work as well," said Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/health/un...index.html
Idaho is one of the "bad states" with only 36% of population having received one or more vaccinations. Our daily new case rate is 9 per 100,000 or 160 total new cases. We are well below the new case rate for the high vaccination states (stated above as averaging 66 new cases per 100,000. A high percentage of Idaho seniors have been vaccinated (81%) which means our population at highest risk has stepped forward to be vaccinated. Full disclosure, I'm a vaccinated senior.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ purplefaithful said:
DUH...
Seven states have already reached the Biden administration's goal of vaccinating at least 70% of adults with at least one shot by July 4, data from CDC shows: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont. Over the past week, those seven states reported per capita case rates that were about 10% lower on average than those states that haven't yet vaccinated as many adults, according to JHU data -- an average of about 66 new cases per 100,000 people, compared to about 73 cases per 100,000 people.
And the gap in case rates widens along with disparities in vaccination rates.
Ten states have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents with at least one dose, and their average per capita case rate was about 19% higher than those seven states that have already reached the Biden administration's goal.
The 10 states that have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents -- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Wyoming -- reported an average of more than 78 new cases per 100,000 people over the past week.
"Clearly if you have geographic areas that are under-immunized, the virus is going to find them. It will continue to smolder, will continue to make people sick, will continue to send people to the hospital, and will continue to cause deaths," said Dr. William Schaffner, a member of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
As the virus spreads through these areas with low vaccination rates, it has many chances to change and become potentially even more dangerous.
"Every time this virus finds a new person, it multiplies. Every time it multiplies, it creates mutations that can spring off, and those mutations can create a variant that is so different that our current vaccine protection might not work or might not work as well," said Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/health/un...index.html
Idaho is one of the "bad states" with only 36% of population having received one or more vaccinations.
Idaho has a large population of LDS.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/05/...us-latter/
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ purplefaithful said:
DUH...
Seven states have already reached the Biden administration's goal of vaccinating at least 70% of adults with at least one shot by July 4, data from CDC shows: Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont. Over the past week, those seven states reported per capita case rates that were about 10% lower on average than those states that haven't yet vaccinated as many adults, according to JHU data -- an average of about 66 new cases per 100,000 people, compared to about 73 cases per 100,000 people.
And the gap in case rates widens along with disparities in vaccination rates.
Ten states have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents with at least one dose, and their average per capita case rate was about 19% higher than those seven states that have already reached the Biden administration's goal.
The 10 states that have vaccinated less than half of their adult residents -- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Wyoming -- reported an average of more than 78 new cases per 100,000 people over the past week.
"Clearly if you have geographic areas that are under-immunized, the virus is going to find them. It will continue to smolder, will continue to make people sick, will continue to send people to the hospital, and will continue to cause deaths," said Dr. William Schaffner, a member of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
As the virus spreads through these areas with low vaccination rates, it has many chances to change and become potentially even more dangerous.
"Every time this virus finds a new person, it multiplies. Every time it multiplies, it creates mutations that can spring off, and those mutations can create a variant that is so different that our current vaccine protection might not work or might not work as well," said Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/health/un...index.html
Idaho is one of the "bad states" with only 36% of population having received one or more vaccinations.
Idaho has a large population of LDS.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/05/...us-latter/
Idaho is a very conservative state. Seniors that I know have been very willing to be vaccinated, regardless of their religious affiliation. Statewide, 83% of seniors have one or more vaccinations. It is the younger folks that are balking... Our low infection rate is partially due to our predominantly rural population and low overall population density. It will be interesting to see if the efforts to increase vaccination rates are successful...
https://www.newsweek.com/california-dela...or-1592269
Prepare? Prepare for what exactly? For life to return to how it was for the first however many years of a persons life until the last 15 months came along? What the hell exactly does preparing to take a mask off entail? Will there be a big ad campaign by the California dept of Health to educate its citizens on the proper way to breath without a fabric inhibiting breathing? Are they afraid that after a year of breathing filtered air that the citizens of that state will be overwhelmed by "fresh" ( it is california after all) air and suddenly become incapacitated?
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