Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
If Pfizer will require a 3rd (or annual) vaccine, then I suspect so will Moderna and J&J...
The reason is the mutant strains that keep popping-up without herd immunity.
Simply put, its a race between variant spread and vaccine right now.
wouldnt it stand to reason that if there is a mutation that is vaccine resistant that (requiring that annual booster) that herd immunity is not achievable? the occurances will be greatly reduced by more people getting vaccinated, but Covid is something that will always be around regardless of who does/doesnt get the shot.
I dont know if it will ever burn out completely or not? The odds of it burning away certainly have to increase exponentially with herd immunity I would think???
I remember someone who used to be POTUS telling us it will all just go away if we just stop the damn testing and quit looking for it 
Maybe that would still work?
Basically thats what the current guy is trying to do by changing the threshold for a positive test result. Of course he owes his presidency to the virus so he can't be to dismissive of it.
I had not heard that before. IF true, fueled by data and science or politics?
I do agree, Trumps decisions and approach to the pandemic were one of the reasons for his being voted out.
Don't go down that rabbit hole, the internet has created a whole new population of PCR experts. There are quite a few profound insights on PCR protocols on this board.
so if you are so much smarter than everyone else, go ahead and debunk the claim. you in your own words. was the bar changed or not in how a positive test is determined? did the changes to the testing thresholds change the likelihood of a positive test result?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
If Pfizer will require a 3rd (or annual) vaccine, then I suspect so will Moderna and J&J...
The reason is the mutant strains that keep popping-up without herd immunity.
Simply put, its a race between variant spread and vaccine right now.
wouldnt it stand to reason that if there is a mutation that is vaccine resistant that (requiring that annual booster) that herd immunity is not achievable? the occurances will be greatly reduced by more people getting vaccinated, but Covid is something that will always be around regardless of who does/doesnt get the shot.
I dont know if it will ever burn out completely or not? The odds of it burning away certainly have to increase exponentially with herd immunity I would think???
I remember someone who used to be POTUS telling us it will all just go away if we just stop the damn testing and quit looking for it
Maybe that would still work?
Basically thats what the current guy is trying to do by changing the threshold for a positive test result. Of course he owes his presidency to the virus so he can't be to dismissive of it.
I had not heard that before. IF true, fueled by data and science or politics?
I do agree, Trumps decisions and approach to the pandemic were one of the reasons for his being voted out.
Don't go down that rabbit hole, the internet has created a whole new population of PCR experts. There are quite a few profound insights on PCR protocols on this board.
so if you are so much smarter than everyone else, go ahead and debunk the claim. you in your own words. was the bar changed or not in how a positive test is determined? did the changes to the testing thresholds change the likelihood of a positive test result?
Quality control, you are testing the sample and not the patient, with carriers being asymptomatic. They were looking for binary results, positive/negative, exposed/not exposed, as opposed viral load of the patient. PCR can be used to detect the presence that shows up in a high cycle, say 40, that show exposure. They are not trying to predict a infectiousness for contract tracing, the use of the technology was indicate exposure and stop the transmission, key word, of an asymptomatic vector.
Here
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates...est-result
E.U. set to let vaccinated U.S. tourists visit this summerThe fast pace of vaccination in the United States, and advanced talks about vaccine certificates, will enable the European Commission to recommend a switch in policy that could see trans-Atlantic leisure travel restored.
By Matina Stevis-Gridneff New York TimesApril 26, 2021
BRUSSELS, Belgium — American tourists who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will be able to visit the European Union over the summer, the head of the bloc's executive body said in an interview with the New York Times on Sunday, more than a year after shutting down nonessential travel from most countries to limit the spread of the coronavirus.
The fast pace of vaccination in the United States, and advanced talks between U.S. authorities and the European Union over how to make vaccine certificates acceptable as proof of immunity for visitors, will enable the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union, to recommend a switch in policy that could see trans-Atlantic leisure travel restored.
"The Americans, as far as I can see, use European Medicines Agency-approved vaccines," Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said Sunday in an interview with the Times in Brussels. "This will enable free movement and the travel to the European Union.
"Because one thing is clear: All 27 member states will accept, unconditionally, all those who are vaccinated with vaccines that are approved by EMA," she added. The agency, the bloc's drugs regulator, has approved all three vaccines being used in the United States, namely the Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Von der Leyen did not offer a timeline on when tourist travel might open up or details on how it would occur. But her comments are a top-level statement that the current travel restrictions are set to change on the basis of vaccination certificates.
She noted that the United States was "on track" and making "huge progress" with its campaign to reach so-called herd immunity, or the vaccination of 70% of adults, by mid-June.
She added that resumption of travel would depend "on the epidemiological situation, but the situation is improving in the United States, as it is, hopefully, also improving in the European Union."
Diplomats from Europe's tourist destination countries, mostly led by Greece, have argued for weeks that the bloc's criteria for determining whether a country is a "safe" origin purely based on low cases of COVID-19 are fast becoming irrelevant given the progress of vaccination campaigns in the United States, Britain and some other countries.
Govt eases up guidance on indoor mask-wearingWASHINGTON — In a striking move to send the country back toward pre-pandemic life, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday eased indoor mask-wearing guidance for fully vaccinated people, allowing them to safely stop wearing masks inside in most places.The new guidance still calls for wearing masks in crowded indoor settings like buses, planes, hospitals, prisons and homeless shelters, but will help clear the way for reopening workplaces, schools, and other venues — even removing the need for masks or social distancing for those who are fully vaccinated.
The CDC will also no longer recommend that fully vaccinated people wear masks outdoors in crowds. The announcement comes as the CDC and the Biden administration have faced pressure to ease restrictions on fully vaccinated people — people who are two weeks past their last required COVID-19 vaccine dose — in part to highlight the benefits of getting the shot.
Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the CDC, announced the new guidance on Thursday afternoon at a White House briefing, saying the long-awaited change is thanks to millions of people getting vaccinated -- and based on the latest science about how well those shots are working.
"Anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities – large or small — without wearing a mask or physically distancing," Walensky said. "If you are fully vaccinated, you can start doing the things that you had stopped doing because of the pandemic."
The new guidance comes as the aggressive U.S. vaccination campaign begins to pay off. U.S. virus cases are at their lowest rate since September, deaths are at their lowest point since last April and the test positivity rate is at the lowest point since the pandemic began.
To date about 154 million Americans, more than 46% of the population, have received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccines and more than 117 million are fully vaccinated. The rate of new vaccinations has slowed in recent weeks, but with the authorization Wednesday of the Pfizer vaccine for children aged 12-15, a new burst of doses is expected in the coming days.
Just two weeks ago, the CDC recommended that fully vaccinated people continue to wear masks indoors in all settings and outdoors in large crowds.
During a virtual meeting Tuesday on vaccinations with a bipartisan group of governors, President Joe Biden appeared to acknowledge that his administration had to do more to model the benefits of vaccination.
"I would like to say that we have fully vaccinated people; we should start acting like it," Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, told Biden. "And that's a big motivation get the unvaccinated to want to to get vaccinated."
"Good point," Biden responded. He added, "we're going to be moving on that in the next little bit."
The easing guidance could open the door to confusion, as there is no surefire way for businesses or others to distinguish between those fully vaccinated and those who are not.
Walensky said the evidence from the U.S. and Israel shows the vaccines are as strongly protective in real-world use as they were in earlier studies, and that so far they continue to work even though some worrying mutated versions of the virus are spreading.
The more people continue to get vaccinated, the faster infections will drop -- and the harder it will be for the virus to mutate enough to escape vaccines, she stressed, urging everyone 12 and older who's not yet vaccinated to sign up.
And while some people still get COVID-19 despite vaccination, Walensky said that's rare and cited evidence that those infections tend to be milder, shorter and harder to spread to others. If someone who's vaccinated does develop COVID-19 symptoms, they should immediately re-mask and get tested, she said.
There are some caveats. Walensky encouraged people who have weak immune systems, such as from organ transplants or cancer treatment, to talk with their doctors before shedding their masks. That's because of continued uncertainty about whether the vaccines can rev up a weakened immune system as well as they do normal, healthy ones.
Updated CDC guidance says people vaccinated against Covid-19 can go without masks indoors and outdoors People fully vaccinated against Covid-19 do not need to wear masks or practice social distancing indoors or outdoors, except under certain circumstances, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday.
"If you are fully vaccinated, you can start doing the things that you had stopped doing because of the pandemic," Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during a White House Covid-19 briefing. "We have all longed for this moment when we can get back to some sense of normalcy."
Walensky said the science supports the new recommendation that "anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities -- large or small -- without wearing a mask or physical distancing."
She cited three studies -- one from Israel and one from the United States -- that show vaccines work.
The Israeli study, which was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, showed the vaccine was 97% effective against symptomatic Covid-19 and 86% effective against asymptomatic infection in over 5,000 health care workers.
There have been reports of "breakthrough" infections among vaccinated people in the United States -- a small number among more than 117 million people in the United States who are now fully vaccinated. Walensky noted that "the resulting infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, may be shorter in duration, and likely less risk of transmission to others."
Walensky's announcement has a few caveats. She warned that people who are immune compromised should speak with their doctors before giving up their masks.
She also said that "the past year has shown us that this virus can be unpredictable, so if things get worse, there is always a chance we may need to make a change to these recommendations."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/health/cd...index.html
Yeah, color me skeptical on this. Have this nagging feeling some who aren't full vaccinated, believe the pandemic is a hoax, or are generally mouth breathers in the first place aren't going to be 100% safe to be around.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Yeah, color me skeptical on this. Have this nagging feeling some who aren't full vaccinated, believe the pandemic is a hoax, or are generally mouth breathers in the first place aren't going to be 100% safe to be around.
I did my first test drive with clients yesterday - with mask on. They were in their 70's and typical Northern Minnesotans who were about the first in line for Pfizer. Probably have been with others 5 times since Pandemic day 1.
So I felt safe in those circumstances. I got good people radar and situational agility. Most of my clients I will not go in a car with, no way.
But yah, overall it's going to be very difficult to operationalize this.
In some of the SE states Governors have mandated no asking for proof of Vax, in the rest of the free world you may have businesses who do just that (and they have every right to do it too).
Either way, I'm sure we'll rise to these challenges with dignity and grace.
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Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Yeah, color me skeptical on this. Have this nagging feeling some who aren't full vaccinated, believe the pandemic is a hoax, or are generally mouth breathers in the first place aren't going to be 100% safe to be around.
or your vaccine isnt effective against the newest strain of the virus... which they have admitted that it will likely become ineffective as new strains come to be.
and if mouth breathers are the biggest threat... why do they have to stick the swab so far up your nose? couldnt they just do a spit sample? B)
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Yeah, color me skeptical on this. Have this nagging feeling some who aren't full vaccinated, believe the pandemic is a hoax, or are generally mouth breathers in the first place aren't going to be 100% safe to be around.
or your vaccine isnt effective against the newest strain of the virus... which they have admitted that it will likely become ineffective as new strains come to be.
and if mouth breathers are the biggest threat... why do they have to stick the swab so far up your nose? couldnt they just do a spit sample? B)
Boosters are already in development...I'm already figuring to get one this summer or fall.
Gotta stop the spread so the variants dont have a chance to develop in the first place.
Getting 12-15 year olds vaccinated will help the cause overall - and I'm sure improve teachers peace of mind.
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