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Another day another mass murder in Amerika...
The important thing is knowing how the people who are standing by their preferred senile, lying rape acusees are fixing the problems!

(cough)
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Quote: @Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
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Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
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Quote: @Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
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Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
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Quote: @Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
Just look out for the drone's, they have your cell number.
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Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
Just look out for the drone's, they have your cell number.
Learn how to spell "drones", and that'll be a big step toward a grownup opinion!

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Quote: @Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@BigAl99 said:
@AGRforever said:
@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   
But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.
The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  
...except that you're wrong, the types of items and ammunition available are being limited and punitively taxed in many locations.

We are having laws made to punish us, under the guise of "safety" and somehow punishing the very people that already don't show interest in laws.

So, please quit saying "nothing to worry about", it's gone far past that.  You...are incorrect.  Whether that's due to ignorance or dishonesty, I'm uncertain.
Punishment?   Where does it say cheap and available is part of that right.  So they are expensive paper punches, or Art for collection.  As for hunting my Father-in-law used to say, "the meat is free, the recreation is expensive". Not sure what economic system would support hunting over grocery shopping, sure isn't capitalism, perhaps hunter gatherer society. 
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
Just look out for the drone's, they have your cell number.
Learn how to spell "drones", and that'll be a big step toward a grownup opinion!

thanks, but isn't that a punctuation error, but you know gooder than me. 
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Quote: @Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
It would be easier to dismiss the fear of the oppressor state if they didn't make their hatred of freedom so obvious.  And if the founding fathers didn't just throw off oppression so they could implement that freedom to protect ourselves from tyranny. 
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Quote: @greediron said:
@Zanary said:
@BigAl99 said:
@Zanary said:
That's like the false-equivalency grab bag.  You left out that the state is selectively taxing gun owners, and you left out why the 2nd Amendment exists...and it ain't about drilling Bambi.

This is obviously beyond you, or you're happy being a good little pet statist.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.
It's like, but it's subtly different, therefore correct.  Target shooting, collecting and hunting, did I leave out being available for the militia and the protection of the state. 

The only thing I am beyond is buying into your BS quivering fear of the oppressor state.  
Don't mistake it for fear, sparky.

Like I said, you were wrong before...there is legislation targeting gun owners and the firearms in question.  This, if it proceeds, will lead to exactly the kind of confrontation that should worry everyone in the country...particularly because many sheriffs and the grand majority of our military will NOT stand against the citizens.

So, the treasonous twinks on the left are trying to instigate a shooting war with the armed members of our society.  How's that gonna end, when their own armed services won't answer the call?

Like I said...it ain't fear.  It's legit outrage at misuse of power, and it's easy to see likely bad times ahead.
It would be easier to dismiss the fear of the oppressor state if they didn't make their hatred of freedom so obvious.  And if the founding fathers didn't just throw off oppression so they could implement that freedom to protect ourselves from tyranny. 
Between the two of you, I think you have enough for a good elevator manifesto.  Just a little work, Greed the concept man and Zanary with his grammatic expertise and prowess, what could miss, crowd source the message and you could have your own social media outlet.  Go all in boys, I'll give you $5 USD (in a yet to be determined Nigerian cryptocurrency).  
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