Another day another mass murder in Amerika...

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@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

56 years ago, a mentally ill man got a hold of a gun and killed my birth father. I'd say the downside of a sane person denied a gun is far less than a mentally ill person getting one. 

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

If youre a doctor and denied covid. You do need a mental health check. 

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

If youre a doctor and denied covid. You do need a mental health check. 

denied covid?  Lol, the thought police are out in force

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

Kanye is probably not the best example to use. He's actually been diagnosed with mental health issues and seems to have a pattern of being off his meds. 

It gets thrown around in general, not just by the left. But to me that means we need to do a better job of removing the stigma, creating more accessible resources for people to get help and addressing it like we do other health issues. And yes, sometimes that means preventing those with issues from accessing weapons.

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@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  

That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   

But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

If youre a doctor and denied covid. You do need a mental health check. 

denied covid?  Lol, the thought police are out in force

There's nothing to deny.  If you're to stupid to see that covid is very real you do in fact need a mental health evaluation.  

Same goes for flat earth'ers, 911'ers and moon landing'ers.  Basically if you need a tinfoil hat you probably need a wellness check. 

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@Zanary said:

@BigAl99 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open. 

as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one.   should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people?  the distributor?  or even the person that sold the budweiser?  if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection,  but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.

The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency,  and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.  

That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.   

But, the vast majority of firearm use, among legit owners, is target shooting...and I suppose there could be clauses regarding types of ranges, etc etc etc.  That said, here's the ongoing facts:

1.  We've had what the media and political bobbleheads call "assault weapons" for generations before mass shootings were anything like common.

2.  Legal gun owners commit a tiny percentage of gun crimes...

3.  ...but, gun laws tend to punish/restrict them far more than criminals.  Optics and BS.

4.  I've still yet to hear about any handgun or rifle that selects, packs, rings up, transports, loads, chambers, aims, and fires itself...so the "GUNS TAKE LIVES" crowd remains woefully ignorant and utterly incorrect.

5.  The same spineless dnc that works to vilify the AR-15 is simultaneously defunding police departments and trying to outlaw popular firearm types...so, law-abiding citizens are having their defensive options limited and police responses worsened in the name of "safety".  Even someone with a full-Crayola diet has to see this as insane.

The single utility to society is only one thing, projecting dense objects at high velocities distances beyond personal control.  Legal owners don't have anything to worry about, just be responsible for who you pass it on to, or the consequences of your actions.  Liability for your products and your actions should definitely be on the table.  

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@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

If youre a doctor and denied covid. You do need a mental health check. 

denied covid?  Lol, the thought police are out in force

There's nothing to deny.  If you're to stupid to see that covid is very real you do in fact need a mental health evaluation.  

Same goes for flat earth'ers, 911'ers and moon landing'ers.  Basically if you need a tinfoil hat you probably need a wellness check. 

Who denied covid?  I am questioning your ability to follow a thread.  

I brought up Kanye because people speculated on social media about his health for the simple reason that they disagreed with him.  And the doctors gave their experienced opinion but were attacked, lost licenses and such because people disagreed with them.  

For those simple reasons, I don't support red flag laws.  They will ultimately be used by dishonest people to get at people they disagree with.  Having the gov't in charge of mental health is the definition of insanity.  

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@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@greediron said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:

@AGRforever said:

@BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone.  There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal".  More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.  

So how do you suggest we fix it? 

Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks.    End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners.  FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.    

I'm with Jimmy on this that I personally don't see any reason not to have a more robust background check.  I'm fine with red flags as long as the purchaser can know it exists and challenge it if they feel its wrongfully applied. 

I also have the same concerns with Jimmy on liability protections.  You don't like the beer comparison but let take kitchen knives for instance.  Certainly produced to cut meat.  The knife manufacture cannot be held liable if you go on a slashing spree as you're using the item off label.

Edit lol, then I turn to page 7 and Jimmy made the same point about knives. 

I say hell no to red flag laws.  No way that doesn't get exploited to block legal gun purchases.  Mental health is very subjective.  Look at what people said about Kanye West when he met Trump.  Suddenly he was a danger to himself, having mental health issues and all sorts of bullshit.  Now I have no idea if he does have mental health issues, but the way it gets thrown around to disparge people the leftist disagree with.

A doctor in Oregon lost his medical license because he didn't repeat the covid mantra.  Look at the front line doctors, they were disparaged every which way while Fauci is held in high esteem despite changing his story more often than Biden changes his mind in a press conference.

If youre a doctor and denied covid. You do need a mental health check. 

denied covid?  Lol, the thought police are out in force

There's nothing to deny.  If you're to stupid to see that covid is very real you do in fact need a mental health evaluation.  

Same goes for flat earth'ers, 911'ers and moon landing'ers.  Basically if you need a tinfoil hat you probably need a wellness check. 

Who denied covid?  I am questioning your ability to follow a thread.  

I brought up Kanye because people speculated on social media about his health for the simple reason that they disagreed with him.  And the doctors gave their experienced opinion but were attacked, lost licenses and such because people disagreed with them.  

For those simple reasons, I don't support red flag laws.  They will ultimately be used by dishonest people to get at people they disagree with.  Having the gov't in charge of mental health is the definition of insanity.  

You might want to let the Kanye thing go or dig a little deeper. The questioning of his mental status was due to his behavior, not his opinion. Yes, he supported Trump. Then he said he no longer supported him when he heard he went to the bunker. There was that time he stated that slavery was a choice for black people. 

Kanye himself talked about his bipolar disorder. He said that during episodes he believes in conspiracy theories and feels like people put chips in his head. When he was 'supporting Trump', he also decided he was going to run for president. He went on campaign rallies and screamed that he almost killed his daughter (via abortion) and that Harriet Tubman didn't actually free any slaves. I remember him posting a video of a grammy in the toilet with him pissing on it. His own wife made public statements apologizing and asking for grace while they tried to get things under control.

He was having mental health issues, not disagreements.