Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
I’m with greed here. I havent watched any of the trial. If you died of asphyxiation shouldnt your O2 be low? Pretty sure some of my elderly clients start to need oxygen when the get in the mid to low 90s.
Thats been my question through this. We all learned with covid that blood o2 levels aren't really concerning until lower 90s so being in the high 90s suggests that his lungs were diffusing enough oxygen doesn't it?
Flow was restricted and lung volume was decreased. The O2 reading is how well his lungs were processing, not the amount. I guess, I don't know, you think they all got it wrong?
did his blood volume decrease as well then? that would make sense if his O2 stats remained the same on reduced amounts of available O2, but since his blood volume was the same, and his 02 stats that are reported are just fine, is it a bad question to ask how that is possible when the contention is that he died because his body was starved of O2? Its just a question, no need to get pissy. I said from last summer that I questioned the position of the knee in relation to the neck, I thought it looked more like upper back area, which still would make breathing difficult, but that doesnt read as scary as on his neck. I have never said Chauvin was innocent, just was looking for answers to questions I would have if I was on a jury.
My adopted mother has pulmonary hypertension. Meaning her lungs do not properly process diffusing oxygen into her blood. Her O2 stats are in the tank (regularly under 90....mid 80s on bad days on O2) and she cannot exert herself doing anything. Climbing a stair or two is a challenge for a 65 year old. She has a hole in her heart that cannot be fixed and will die from the condition within the next few years.
Obviously Floyd and my other other Mom are not the same person or have the same condition or circumstances.
This is more then I understand about asphyxiation: https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Center...phyxiation
I'd be genuinely curious if O2% is supposed to go down if you're breathing is being restricted? I know I get bad asthma when allergies or other type things hit and my O2 stats go down by a few percentage points.
Got me dude, let us know when you find out. If you are really that curious, you would do more than ask random folks on a board to explain it to you. Looks like your adopted mother has problems getting sufficient oxygen into her blood. Do you really think that this is an error or oversite by the medical community or could it be that you may just not understand the all the ramifications of the autopsy and coroner report.
Post ten minute google search: I think it could be the sample with the 98% hemoglobin saturation is from an artery, which carries the oxygenated blood from the heart to the body. Veins carry oxygen depleted blood back to the heart. I was more into physics than biology, but as soon as I saw it I remembered.
Pretty sure I said above that I haven't spent much time on this thing. I haven't read the report. I don't know the ramifications of the autopsy or coroners report. I've also said cops generally get off and thats what I've based my entire line of thinking on since day one on this.
As for asking people on the internet. I thought that is what this website is about. Shooting the shit about the Vikings and other unrelated topics.
Sorry to have offended you. I'll do better next time. I'm just glad that we get to bask in your greatness. Thank you!!!
Go to 6:27 and he will explain it.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No it's not open, Tobin just used the Oxygen hemoglobin saturation level, which was not new, just overlooked by the defense. He also just pointed out scientific journals, that he had referenced in prior testimony, relevant lung volume/size and larynx constriction, which the Fowler said he couldn't find. There were 4 points of rebuttal and the new test for carbon monoxide, kind of cool listening to the Judge go over what could and couldn't be admitted Listened to the whole thing got a shot of Moderna yesterday and just listening to stuff I usually don't
I am admittedly not a legal geek, so I have no idea. Just saw that the judge upheld the objection by the defense and then the prosecution basically went that way anyway. The O2 sat level wasn't new, but wasn't made available to the defense earlier. Again, I have no idea. But a mistrial probably isn't a good option.
The O2 saturation level was on the coroner report, the carbon monoxide, CO wasn't, it was 1.5%. Fowler had asserted 10% to 13% CO yesterday. The examiner heard that and called the prosecutor last night to say that CO was not requested by the Emergency room staff for the report, but that data existed as a CO value. Defense objected that they hadn't received that information till 8 am and their expert had high tailed it out of town. The Judge agreed and said they couldn't reference any of the "new" results and if the prosecution intimated to the Jury there were additional information report he would declare a mistrial. So when Dr. Tobin said the O2 saturation was 98%, which was already presented, that would leave a maximum of 2% CO shown by the evidence, had he said 1.5% it would have been declared misstrial.
The prosecution was also given leeway on the heart size, because of the defense experts referencing multiples scales for normal and enlarged with out clarifying, but they didn't correct that. I think Tobin was the most likeable of the two and it was good to get him out in front of the Jury last.
I’m with greed here. I havent watched any of the trial. If you died of asphyxiation shouldnt your O2 be low? Pretty sure some of my elderly clients start to need oxygen when the get in the mid to low 90s.
Thats been my question through this. We all learned with covid that blood o2 levels aren't really concerning until lower 90s so being in the high 90s suggests that his lungs were diffusing enough oxygen doesn't it?
Flow was restricted and lung volume was decreased. The O2 reading is how well his lungs were processing, not the amount. I guess, I don't know, you think they all got it wrong?
did his blood volume decrease as well then? that would make sense if his O2 stats remained the same on reduced amounts of available O2, but since his blood volume was the same, and his 02 stats that are reported are just fine, is it a bad question to ask how that is possible when the contention is that he died because his body was starved of O2? Its just a question, no need to get pissy. I said from last summer that I questioned the position of the knee in relation to the neck, I thought it looked more like upper back area, which still would make breathing difficult, but that doesnt read as scary as on his neck. I have never said Chauvin was innocent, just was looking for answers to questions I would have if I was on a jury.
My adopted mother has pulmonary hypertension. Meaning her lungs do not properly process diffusing oxygen into her blood. Her O2 stats are in the tank (regularly under 90....mid 80s on bad days on O2) and she cannot exert herself doing anything. Climbing a stair or two is a challenge for a 65 year old. She has a hole in her heart that cannot be fixed and will die from the condition within the next few years.
Obviously Floyd and my other other Mom are not the same person or have the same condition or circumstances.
This is more then I understand about asphyxiation: https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Center...phyxiation
I'd be genuinely curious if O2% is supposed to go down if you're breathing is being restricted? I know I get bad asthma when allergies or other type things hit and my O2 stats go down by a few percentage points.
Got me dude, let us know when you find out. If you are really that curious, you would do more than ask random folks on a board to explain it to you. Looks like your adopted mother has problems getting sufficient oxygen into her blood. Do you really think that this is an error or oversite by the medical community or could it be that you may just not understand the all the ramifications of the autopsy and coroner report.
Post ten minute google search: I think it could be the sample with the 98% hemoglobin saturation is from an artery, which carries the oxygenated blood from the heart to the body. Veins carry oxygen depleted blood back to the heart. I was more into physics than biology, but as soon as I saw it I remembered.
Pretty sure I said above that I haven't spent much time on this thing. I haven't read the report. I don't know the ramifications of the autopsy or coroners report. I've also said cops generally get off and thats what I've based my entire line of thinking on since day one on this.
As for asking people on the internet. I thought that is what this website is about. Shooting the shit about the Vikings and other unrelated topics.
Sorry to have offended you. I'll do better next time. I'm just glad that we get to bask in your greatness. Thank you!!!
Go to 6:27 and he will break it.
You are obviously following this better then I am. I watched. Thank you.
According to that guy your O2 wouldn't necessarily be lower....its pretty interesting.
I agree @ BigAl99 that you are following this more closely than many. I appreciate your contributions here. I've missed much of it either because of work conflicts or the sheer difficulty in watching it.
Thanks for sharing information.
I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
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I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
Lots of tragedy up here in sleepy MN, too much for many if not most. Between this? Daunte Wright? Castille? The Pandemic? Political Divisions? It's been really tough.
But lets be clear about something...This is going to be a tough stretch for this country, not just MN depending on the outcome. Chicago, Detroit, LA, Seattle, Dallas, Miami...
This is a national issue that started here.
Washington is watching this one carefully. Don't bet against Fed charges immediately if Chauvin isn't convicted by a MN jury.
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@ StickyBun said:
I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
Lots of tragedy up here in sleepy MN, too much for many if not most. Between this? Daunte Wright? Castille? The Pandemic? Political Divisions? It's been really tough.
But lets be clear about something...This is going to be a tough stretch for this country, not just MN depending on the outcome. Chicago, Detroit, LA, Seattle, Dallas, Miami...
This is a national issue that started here.
Washington is watching this one carefully. Don't bet against Fed charges immediately if Chauvin isn't convicted by a MN jury.
Interesting take. I had to look that up because I would assume double jeopardy would apply but it looks like the Feds could in fact go after him.
I wonder how that would factor in if say the state did convict him of "whatever low charge" would the Feds be able to step in and go after him as well? For example lets say they hit him with manslaughter and he gets 5 years. I'd assume there would still be riots. Can the Feds go in if convicted?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
Lots of tragedy up here in sleepy MN, too much for many if not most. Between this? Daunte Wright? Castille? The Pandemic? Political Divisions? It's been really tough.
But lets be clear about something...This is going to be a tough stretch for this country, not just MN depending on the outcome. Chicago, Detroit, LA, Seattle, Dallas, Miami...
This is a national issue that started here.
Washington is watching this one carefully. Don't bet against Fed charges immediately if Chauvin isn't convicted by a MN jury.
Interesting take. I had to look that up because I would assume double jeopardy would apply but it looks like the Feds could in fact go after him.
I wonder how that would factor in if say the state did convict him of "whatever low charge" would the Feds be able to step in and go after him as well? For example lets say they hit him with manslaughter and he gets 5 years. I'd assume there would still be riots. Can the Feds go in if convicted?
if he gets 5 years.... I doubt there will be anything left for the feds to try. they put this guy in gen pop at any state facility and he is likely dead inside a year.
There is another piece to the sentencing that I don't know if many have heard...
I forget the legal term, but IF Chauvin is found guilty, the jurors then have to decide if there was extreme cruelty involved and if underage children were exposed and impacted by this too.
There is the potential for substantially more years to get added to a sentence depending on this next phase of the juries work.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
Lots of tragedy up here in sleepy MN, too much for many if not most. Between this? Daunte Wright? Castille? The Pandemic? Political Divisions? It's been really tough.
But lets be clear about something...This is going to be a tough stretch for this country, not just MN depending on the outcome. Chicago, Detroit, LA, Seattle, Dallas, Miami...
This is a national issue that started here.
Washington is watching this one carefully. Don't bet against Fed charges immediately if Chauvin isn't convicted by a MN jury.
Interesting take. I had to look that up because I would assume double jeopardy would apply but it looks like the Feds could in fact go after him.
I wonder how that would factor in if say the state did convict him of "whatever low charge" would the Feds be able to step in and go after him as well? For example lets say they hit him with manslaughter and he gets 5 years. I'd assume there would still be riots. Can the Feds go in if convicted?
if he gets 5 years.... I doubt there will be anything left for the feds to try. they put this guy in gen pop at any state facility and he is likely dead inside a year.
He wont be in gen pop. The guys running prisons don't want one of "their own" getting shived in the yard. If in fact he sees time it'll be segregated.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I think its going to be a very rough stretch here for Minneapolis when the verdict comes out. Some citizens are going to be armed and ready to protect their businesses. Shots fired at National Guard members in a drive by yesterday. The pressure cooker is going to blow.
Lots of tragedy up here in sleepy MN, too much for many if not most. Between this? Daunte Wright? Castille? The Pandemic? Political Divisions? It's been really tough.
But lets be clear about something...This is going to be a tough stretch for this country, not just MN depending on the outcome. Chicago, Detroit, LA, Seattle, Dallas, Miami...
This is a national issue that started here.
Washington is watching this one carefully. Don't bet against Fed charges immediately if Chauvin isn't convicted by a MN jury.
Interesting take. I had to look that up because I would assume double jeopardy would apply but it looks like the Feds could in fact go after him.
I wonder how that would factor in if say the state did convict him of "whatever low charge" would the Feds be able to step in and go after him as well? For example lets say they hit him with manslaughter and he gets 5 years. I'd assume there would still be riots. Can the Feds go in if convicted?
if he gets 5 years.... I doubt there will be anything left for the feds to try. they put this guy in gen pop at any state facility and he is likely dead inside a year.
He wont be in gen pop. The guys running prisons don't want one of "their own" getting shived in the yard. If in fact he sees time it'll be segregated.
well I still have my doubts that he makes it a year... somebody will find a way to get to him.
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