Lol. From the who can look away from a car wreck file. Took a glance at P1's board. THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!
Also, for the 713th time P1 is wondering aloud if he should shut the board down. Lolololo. The more thing change, the more they stay the same.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
I don't know if y'alls have noticed, but the good guy with a gun is getting his ass kicked. When's this guy gonna show up?
Usually, shunned and disallowed from the "gun safe zones" that are such popular target areas.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I don't know if y'alls have noticed, but the good guy with a gun is getting his ass kicked. When's this guy gonna show up?
I heard one report from the fedex shooting of a guy that got a gun from his truck and returned fire on the shooter. Perhaps he is the reason that more innocent people didn't die? Or maybe he was killed? They just said that he happened but I haven't heard any more explanation of his involvement.
I just went through 4 accounts of the incident and don't see any mention of anyone returning fire. Can any of the reports you allude to be cited in order support your position?
No, it was in one news report and nothing I have heard since ( as I have already mentioned) , but I know it was reported, and IIRC it was a statement by one of the witnesses that mentioned another employee who returned fire or at least pulled a weapon.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I don't know if y'alls have noticed, but the good guy with a gun is getting his ass kicked. When's this guy gonna show up?
I heard one report from the fedex shooting of a guy that got a gun from his truck and returned fire on the shooter. Perhaps he is the reason that more innocent people didn't die? Or maybe he was killed? They just said that he happened but I haven't heard any more explanation of his involvement.
I just went through 4 accounts of the incident and don't see any mention of anyone returning fire. Can any of the reports you allude to be cited in order support your position?
No, it was in one news report and nothing I have heard since ( as I have already mentioned) , but I know it was reported, and IIRC it was a statement by one of the witnesses that mentioned another employee who returned fire.
Don't doubt you heard it, I'll keep my ears open till I hear more, before I start passing it on though. What I would like to hear is from a tTAC, swat or police, if it complicates the situation with multiple shooters and the protocol for determining friend or foe in a active shooter situation.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I don't know if y'alls have noticed, but the good guy with a gun is getting his ass kicked. When's this guy gonna show up?
I heard one report from the fedex shooting of a guy that got a gun from his truck and returned fire on the shooter. Perhaps he is the reason that more innocent people didn't die? Or maybe he was killed? They just said that he happened but I haven't heard any more explanation of his involvement.
I just went through 4 accounts of the incident and don't see any mention of anyone returning fire. Can any of the reports you allude to be cited in order support your position?
I heard that on the news (nbc - today show...pretty sure since thats what we watch in the AM) the morning of the Fedx shooting. It was my understanding that the person returning fire was one of the deaths. I have done nothing to verify that though. Just stating that I heard it as well.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I don't know if y'alls have noticed, but the good guy with a gun is getting his ass kicked. When's this guy gonna show up?
I heard one report from the fedex shooting of a guy that got a gun from his truck and returned fire on the shooter. Perhaps he is the reason that more innocent people didn't die? Or maybe he was killed? They just said that he happened but I haven't heard any more explanation of his involvement.
I just went through 4 accounts of the incident and don't see any mention of anyone returning fire. Can any of the reports you allude to be cited in order support your position?
No, it was in one news report and nothing I have heard since ( as I have already mentioned) , but I know it was reported, and IIRC it was a statement by one of the witnesses that mentioned another employee who returned fire.
Don't doubt you heard it, I'll keep my ears open till I hear more, before I start passing it on though. What I would like to hear is from a tactical officer, swat or police, if it complicates the situation with multiple shooters and the protocol for determining friend or foe in a active shooter situation.
I know in most cases that these things are over before LEOs make it on scene if there is a good Samaritan. I would imagine the response time is much better in an urban environemnt, but in the suburbs or rural areas its a long damn time before you will see a LEO in many cases. I called and reported an issue one night near my house and was told it would be about 30 minutes before a deputy would be available, now if it was an active shooter situation they could have likely cut that in half, but still 15 minutes in a situation like that would be a life time. I know i have been on accidents on the interstate where its 10-15 minutes before we can get there as first responders and law wont show up for another 15 to 30 minutes. sometimes they just arent that close.
our local small town ( no police department) had a situation about 10 years ago where a stranger entered the public school and made some ruckus, the teachers locked down their classrooms but it was at least 15 to 20 minutes before law got there, if that guy had been motivated and prepared to do harm we would have lost a lot of people that day. Thankfully the vice principal called a couple trusted locals ( my brother in law and his workers ) who showed up and got the loon out of the building inside a couple minutes.
I would hope that anybody that is armed and intervenes is prepared to lay down their guns and make it very apparent that they are not a threat when law actually arrives. I am sure some have some visions of being the hero until the end, but there is a time and place for the need as well as for those armed to sit one out or stand down.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone. There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal". More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.
So how do you suggest we fix it?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone. There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal". More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.
So how do you suggest we fix it?
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks. End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners. FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone. There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal". More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.
So how do you suggest we fix it?
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks. End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners. FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open.
as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one. should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people? the distributor? or even the person that sold the budweiser? if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection, but they shouldnt have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.
The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency, and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Aren't most of these folk "legal " gun owners, until the bullet makes hole in someone. There just may be an issue on who is considered "legal" or why are you "legal". More guns in folks hands just ain't working to well.
So how do you suggest we fix it?
Shared database between jurisdictions for mandatory background checks. End liability protections, for manufactures, sellers and owners. FastTrack red flag designations so something common sense can be done without having to so much red tape.
I go along with the red tag designations as well as shared data bases for law enforcement... no reason the data base isnt already open.
as far as liablility protections... not sure on that one. should budweiser get sued every time somebody has to much to drink and kills people? the distributor? or even the person that sold the budweiser? if they are breaking the law then they already dont have protection, but they should have to defend themselves every time somebody is injured by their products because some lawyer is looking for a quick pay day.
The red tag designation as long as there is a clear and expedient way for those tagged to prove their competency, and this doesnt just become another tool by the anti gun crowd to take the guns away from those that are not a threat.
That's a false equivalency, alcohols purpose in society is not to be a weapon and be used means of defense or offense.
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