Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
If they don't find a LT in the draft the more likely scenario is they either sign one (Okung or Villinueva) or shift O'Neil over to the left side and then let Hill, Udoh, and Cleveland compete at RT.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
I like what Geoff did in his first mock draft, where he was still able to get Darrisaw in a trade back, then get an impact rusher (Tryon) in the 2nd with that additional pick. Then get a QB in the 3rd (my preference is still Mond, but it looks like he may not get out of the second now). AND get a guy like Kendrick Greene as a guy to develop behind Cole.
Let's speak that shit into existence.
In the last week since my 1st mock I tend to think the O-lineman are going to go earlier than expected so while in that moment getting Darrisaw a few slots back from #14 was possible, I'm not convinced that is as likely anymore.
If Sewell falls to #7, Detroit could possibly take him as the BPA which would set into motion the run on lineman. The Panthers, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Chargers could all go O-line. Then you have the teams in the late teens/early 20's sniffing lineman. So you probably need to see 2-3 guys on the board you like to move back, which appears less likely.
Funny how so much can change in a week but if the Vikings want the lineman of their choice they may actually need to move up a few slots. Otherwise sliding back for defense or the 2nd tier of lineman (Cosmi or Jenkins) makes more sense.
Well, that's sobering as hell...
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
If they don't find a LT in the draft the more likely scenario is they either sign one (Okung or Villinueva) or shift O'Neil over to the left side and then let Hill, Udoh, and Cleveland compete at RT.
Yeah I've read you mention that before but that just seems like an awful lot of moving parts with ONeill shifting over to LT. I thought he struggled at times himself last season and I'm not sure what the thought process would be there. it's going to be very, very interesting to see how they ultimately decide to retool this offensive line
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
If they don't find a LT in the draft the more likely scenario is they either sign one (Okung or Villinueva) or shift O'Neil over to the left side and then let Hill, Udoh, and Cleveland compete at RT.
Instead of thinking about baseball, I'll think about passing on a OT rich class to take a geriatric LT.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
If they don't find a LT in the draft the more likely scenario is they either sign one (Okung or Villinueva) or shift O'Neil over to the left side and then let Hill, Udoh, and Cleveland compete at RT.
Yeah, there are plenty of options, including Eric Fisher if we're OK starting HIll at LT for a few games.
As I've said before, if they want O'Neill on the left, then they could feasibly stand pat and field a lineup of O'Neill - Cole - Bradbury - Cleveland - Udoh" and very likely be better than they were last year.
It's just that I want to overkill it. While that line would do, how nice would it be to field a lineup like...
Brown Jr. - Meinerz/Cole - Bradbury - Cleveland - O'Neill. Rr replace Brown with Slater or Darrisaw. I just with I knew what they felt about Udoh. If he's going to eventually be a starter in this league, he should be able to start showing that this season.
Best option: Add Zeus Jr and acquire a guy like Rousseau.
Next best option: Add Darrisaw and Robinson
Next best option: Add AVT, move Cleveland and add a Cleveland
Least desirable: Movie O'Neill
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
they used FA to fix his D, its time to focus back on the O.
I don't disagree but even with our own line problems last season we were a top rated offense. I think a pass rusher makes a lot of sense and using our plethora of draft picks to move back up into a deep o line crop also makes sense. 14 days to go...
they added a pass rusher in Tomlinson and Hunter over what they fielded last year. they are now on the hook for another 35 million in cousins for 2022, they damn well not go cheap on the protection. If this team is truly all in on cousins, which they better be since they committed to his big pay day next year, then they need to quit fucking around with the OL ( and that is what playing musical chairs would be ) and settle in with players in the positions they have played and draft/sign/trade for players to fill the remaining openings.
where is a year 1 guys going to be most likely to get the most playing time and offer long term cap savings? I have my doubts that a year one DLman gets on the field in Zimmers D much. Really none have done so to date, however our 3 returning OL starters all played significantly in their rookie seasons on the OL and with openings at both LT and LG ( assuming Cole isnt a lock there, and praying Dozier isnt even a consideration ) then OL seems to make the most sense for both the now and the future, unless the team isnt going to pay Hunter his demands then that changes everything.
I'm with you, I just don't believe Zim is going to go into the season short handed on defense after last year's debacle. Say you add Jaelen Phillips, that gives you a rush package of Hunter, Phillips, Tomlinson and DJ Wonnum...which could be elite, and you have to beat Aaron Rodgers to win the division.
That and the fact that we can get starting guards through the second and third round leads me to believe that's the direction we go in
I would rather they add an OT early to take Reiffs spot and not rely on Hill or the notion that we can move Oneill and rely on Udoh, a guy that didnt sniff playing time last year that I can recall.
And again, Cleveland was drafted as our LT of the future. Not sure why that still wouldn't be in play...
maybe that he has gotten zero work at LT in the last year? zero work on the left side of the line despite the glaring weakness at LG last year? and I am tired as shit of the musical chairs with our OL, they have been doing it for over a decade and with almost 100% shit results.
Yes but that doesn't mean he isn't capable being that LT was his college position. To me if we don't go offensive line in the first round, it would make most sense to slide Cleveland to LT and fill the guard spots with either Cole, Udoh, or with draft picks.
If they don't find a LT in the draft the more likely scenario is they either sign one (Okung or Villinueva) or shift O'Neil over to the left side and then let Hill, Udoh, and Cleveland compete at RT.
O'Neill - Cole - Bradbury - Cleveland - Udoh
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