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#14 and a 3rd for Brown and 27#
Sign Turner to play LG

Draft Bateman at 27, DE in the 3rd

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https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/.amp/news...ssion=true

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https://www.vikings.com/news/todd-mcshay...pick-no-14

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And yes to answer your question.

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@"BarrNone55" said:


And yes to answer your question.

Lol....is he really?

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@appstatus109 said:
O My God this is the best ever for more click here

@JimmyinSD um, I think we have a spammer

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@MaroonBells said:
i take Sewell over Slater, but just barely. The more i think about it, the more i want--and think the Vikings want--their franchise LT from this draft...and not a guard. 

I think the Vikings would be happiest with a Sewell, then a Slater, then a Darrisaw and if all three are gone, they will trade down with AVT still on the board to the frustration of many fans...then they will go edge and take an IOL like Meinerz in the middle round and look for their LT in free agency post draft. 

Of course all this changes with a trade. And of course my mind will change six times before the draft. 

I agree with your thinking quite a bit. People will blow a fuse if they don't take a lineman in round 1, but how much better are you with AVT or Slater as a LG? Perception would be, they're tremendously better. But using other teams and analytics as a barometer they won't be much better. 

For better or worse your interior O-lineman besides the center don't make a massive difference. In my mind I walk through a few difference scenarios. Honestly want to hear your two-cents on them. 


1. They draft an OT like Darrisaw in round 1. Maybe they follow-up with a mid-round OG but lets just say they don't start week one. 

Starters: Darrisaw / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill  (takeaway: that should play) 

2. They draft AVT in round one. Follow-up with a tackle later on but similar to option 1 you don't expect them to start week 1. 

Starters: O'Neill / AVT / Bradbury / Cleveland / Udoh (takeaway: its better but how much better than a mid-round guard)? 

3. They draft a mid-round guard and tackle (Christensen or Brown in round 3?) but sign an OT yet in FA. 

Starters: Okung? / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill (you add depth and a potential OT starter in 2022. Is that worse than #2?) 


In my opinion option #1 is the ideal value/skill balance with #3 ending up surpassing #2 knowing you also added depth. Where I ultimately am going with this is as much as fans want an O-lineman I think only an OT makes sense in round 1. If not a DE, trade backs, or simply taking the best player left at #14 is probably your better bet. 

I agree. #1 is your best scenario and I honestly think it's the most likely for the Vikings. Darrisaw's ability to pass block, run block and reach block in wide zone runs makes me think the Vikings like him a lot more than maybe some other teams. And agree completely with your comment about interior OL not really making a game-changing difference. 

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@"BarrNone55" said:

@appstatus109 said:
O My God this is the best ever for more click here

@JimmyinSD um, I think we have a spammer

Got him/her/it.  Bye bye

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@"BarrNone55" said:

@appstatus109 said:
O My God this is the best ever for more click here

@JimmyinSD um, I think we have a spammer

Got him/her/it.  Bye bye

quicker on the trigger than I this morning,  nice work Earp.

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@MaroonBells said:
i take Sewell over Slater, but just barely. The more i think about it, the more i want--and think the Vikings want--their franchise LT from this draft...and not a guard. 

I think the Vikings would be happiest with a Sewell, then a Slater, then a Darrisaw and if all three are gone, they will trade down with AVT still on the board to the frustration of many fans...then they will go edge and take an IOL like Meinerz in the middle round and look for their LT in free agency post draft. 

Of course all this changes with a trade. And of course my mind will change six times before the draft. 

I agree with your thinking quite a bit. People will blow a fuse if they don't take a lineman in round 1, but how much better are you with AVT or Slater as a LG? Perception would be, they're tremendously better. But using other teams and analytics as a barometer they won't be much better. 

For better or worse your interior O-lineman besides the center don't make a massive difference. In my mind I walk through a few difference scenarios. Honestly want to hear your two-cents on them. 


1. They draft an OT like Darrisaw in round 1. Maybe they follow-up with a mid-round OG but lets just say they don't start week one. 

Starters: Darrisaw / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill  (takeaway: that should play) 

2. They draft AVT in round one. Follow-up with a tackle later on but similar to option 1 you don't expect them to start week 1. 

Starters: O'Neill / AVT / Bradbury / Cleveland / Udoh (takeaway: its better but how much better than a mid-round guard)? 

3. They draft a mid-round guard and tackle (Christensen or Brown in round 3?) but sign an OT yet in FA. 

Starters: Okung? / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill (you add depth and a potential OT starter in 2022. Is that worse than #2?) 


In my opinion option #1 is the ideal value/skill balance with #3 ending up surpassing #2 knowing you also added depth. Where I ultimately am going with this is as much as fans want an O-lineman I think only an OT makes sense in round 1. If not a DE, trade backs, or simply taking the best player left at #14 is probably your better bet. 

after watching Dozier get owned game after game last year,  how can you say OGs dont make a massive difference between good and bad players?  IMO an OG that can take a DT out of the equation on his own is huge as it allows the center to either help the other OG or to pick up blitzers.

Remember that the NT is going to end up over Bradbury and the 3-tech over Cleveland. So the LG is arguably the least important spot on the field in the modern NFL. My take isn't so much that Dozier isn't bad, he was. Its that even if you replace him with Quenton Nelson you're only going to see a miniscule differences. How miniscule? Well analytics would suggest it to be about 3 pts over the course of an entire season. The loss of Reiff is a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed.

This all day long. I agree with this completely and have for years. If you look at the starting guards on all four teams in the last two Super Bowls, half of them are league below average journeymen on their 3rd or 4th teams. 

While it would be nice to land another Randall McDaniel or Quenton Nelson, it's not going to improve the team as much as a starting LT or the edge rusher opposite Hunter.