Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
So is it fair to say Ezra at LT is a long shot?
IMO, if we get Darrisaw, probably. If we get Slater, maybe. If we get AVT, Ezra is the LT.
SOOOOO many different possibilities that can come out of this draft, and late FA. I wonder what the staff really feels about him as a player.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
So is it fair to say Ezra at LT is a long shot?
IMO, if we get Darrisaw, probably. If we get Slater, maybe. If we get AVT, Ezra is the LT.
SOOOOO many different possibilities that can come out of this draft, and late FA. I wonder what the staff really feels about him as a player.
I think letting Reiff walk says something. Could mean they like him as LT. Could mean they like Udoh at RT and O'Neill at LT, which I kinda like. Regardless, things will start to clear up in 24 days.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
i take Sewell over Slater, but just barely. The more i think about it, the more i want--and think the Vikings want--their franchise LT from this draft...and not a guard.
I think the Vikings would be happiest with a Sewell, then a Slater, then a Darrisaw and if all three are gone, they will trade down with AVT still on the board to the frustration of many fans...then they will go edge and take an IOL like Meinerz in the middle round and look for their LT in free agency post draft.
Of course all this changes with a trade. And of course my mind will change six times before the draft.
I agree with your thinking quite a bit. People will blow a fuse if they don't take a lineman in round 1, but how much better are you with AVT or Slater as a LG? Perception would be, they're tremendously better. But using other teams and analytics as a barometer they won't be much better.
For better or worse your interior O-lineman besides the center don't make a massive difference. In my mind I walk through a few difference scenarios. Honestly want to hear your two-cents on them.
1. They draft an OT like Darrisaw in round 1. Maybe they follow-up with a mid-round OG but lets just say they don't start week one.
Starters: Darrisaw / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill (takeaway: that should play)
2. They draft AVT in round one. Follow-up with a tackle later on but similar to option 1 you don't expect them to start week 1.
Starters: O'Neill / AVT / Bradbury / Cleveland / Udoh (takeaway: its better but how much better than a mid-round guard)?
3. They draft a mid-round guard and tackle (Christensen or Brown in round 3?) but sign an OT yet in FA.
Starters: Okung? / Cole / Bradbury / Cleveland / O'Neill (you add depth and a potential OT starter in 2022. Is that worse than #2?)
In my opinion option #1 is the ideal value/skill balance with #3 ending up surpassing #2 knowing you also added depth. Where I ultimately am going with this is as much as fans want an O-lineman I think only an OT makes sense in round 1. If not a DE, trade backs, or simply taking the best player left at #14 is probably your better bet.
after watching Dozier get owned game after game last year, how can you say OGs dont make a massive difference between good and bad players? IMO an OG that can take a DT out of the equation on his own is huge as it allows the center to either help the other OG or to pick up blitzers.
Remember that the NT is going to end up over Bradbury and the 3-tech over Cleveland. So the LG is arguably the least important spot on the field in the modern NFL. My take isn't so much that Dozier isn't bad, he was. Its that even if you replace him with Quenton Nelson you're only going to see a miniscule differences. How miniscule? Well analytics would suggest it to be about 3 pts over the course of an entire season. The loss of Reiff is a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed.
What remains the largest issue with the O-line isn't the talent, its Kirk holding the ball at times. Nearly no pocket passer hold the ball as long as Kirk does which invites plenty of pressure. Its also why he arguably why his metrics under pressure are so good as well, he invites it to wait for his shots.
I agree the line needs to be upgraded. But I don't think spending a 1st round pick on a guard is going to net you a strong ROI.
NT can either play 0, 1 or shade. The 3T can line up over the outside shoulder of either G. Your LG is potentially responsible for the RDE on a stunt.
In 2020 with Dozier at guard teams aligned the NT at 0 >95% of the time. So I would be on that happening until proven otherwise. But you're right that the RDE on a stunt would be the LGs responsibility. The LG also gets the NT even at the 0 on the up & out.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
So is it fair to say Ezra at LT is a long shot?
IMO, if we get Darrisaw, probably. If we get Slater, maybe. If we get AVT, Ezra is the LT.
SOOOOO many different possibilities that can come out of this draft, and late FA. I wonder what the staff really feels about him as a player.
I think letting Reiff walk says something. Could mean they like him as LT. Could mean they like Udoh at RT and O'Neill at LT, which I kinda like. Regardless, things will start to clear up in 24 days.
Draft season is too long IMO. I'm going nuts waiting for it.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
So is it fair to say Ezra at LT is a long shot?
IMO, if we get Darrisaw, probably. If we get Slater, maybe. If we get AVT, Ezra is the LT.
SOOOOO many different possibilities that can come out of this draft, and late FA. I wonder what the staff really feels about him as a player.
I think letting Reiff walk says something. Could mean they like him as LT. Could mean they like Udoh at RT and O'Neill at LT, which I kinda like. Regardless, things will start to clear up in 24 days.
Draft season is too long IMO. I'm going nuts waiting for it.
Yup, it's like being an 8 year old waiting for Christmas.
Best player comp in ‘21 draft cycle IMO is N. Iowa OT Spencer Brown and Raiders LT Kolton Miller. Size, test numbers (slight edge to Brown), rawness, and vast upside all align. Miller was #15 pick in 2018 and just signed big
FA deal. Don’t see Brown in many Top 100 list
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Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Best player comp in ‘21 draft cycle IMO is N. Iowa OT Spencer Brown and Raiders LT Kolton Miller. Size, test numbers (slight edge to Brown), rawness, and vast upside all align. Miller was #15 pick in 2018 and just signed big
FA deal. Don’t see Brown in many Top 100 list
I think he's a late riser for teams internally. Could see him go in round 2 at this point. Vikings were big fans of Kolton Miller, he's been much better than I thought.
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