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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in chicago New York new Orleans and other shithole liberal cities
Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?
Luv em both...Wouldnt want to live in any big, urban areas myself but what cool places to visit. Culturally off the charts and these cities are some of the reasons our country is still great.
First time I visited New York I felt like someone plugged me in to an outlet. Felt alive, like this is where I'm meant to be. I've had that same experience in Chicago, San Francisco, Montreal, Boston, NOLA. Not so every big city tho. For example, LA doesn't do that, Dallas doesn't do that. I think it's because those cities don't have a center, a soul. They're dominated by their suburbs.
But growing up in small town Montana, I've spent a lot of time in jobless, depressed, meth-riddled towns like Billings, MT, Rapid City, SD, Casper, WY, Goodland, KS...I wouldn't call them shitholes because I'm not a douche, but I could never go back to that.
NY blew me away the first time I went...Our kid was accepted into Parsons Design School in Manhattan and we had to move em out there to a dorm. Talk about learning experiences for parents and adults lol!!
You felt like you were plugged in, I felt like I was born there...Cant wait to get back. Boston is so historic as is NOLA and I love Nashville, Austin and Seattle too.
The South and West Charm is different than Midwest and NE. Those differences make our country great. So sad when we see through a lens of red vs blue, Dem cities vs Repub's.
Now our kid is in LA and while I love the ocean, the weather, legal weed, vegan galore and palm trees, it's as soulless as Bentonville, AR. imo.
LOL. I'm happy I'm not the only one who sees LA that way. The great thing about big cities is that it's like visiting a foreign country without a passport. NOLA is like going to Paris. Montreal is like that too. NYC is like visiting Italy, Puerto Rico and a hundred different other countries, each a five minute subway ride away.
Next time I go I want to explore Harlem. Last time I was there, the person I was with was afraid to go there. And this was when Bill Clinton had an apartment there. Parts of Chicago are right out of Poland. Walk in Boston's north end and it's like you're walking in Naples. Can you tell I'm ready to start traveling again?
Agreed. One thing that blows visitors away from other countries when they come here is they can walk around NYC, stop in an area to eat and everyone is speaking Italian. Walk to another and its Chinese. They love it. Our diversity and immigrant history in the USA is OUR STRENGTH. We are all descendants of freaking immigrants unless you are American Indian, the only true native Americans. And our black population is here because of slavery.
But when you are white and live in North Dakota your whole life and know nothing else, big cities are 'scary' and 'shitholes'. Its stupid.
What if you are a black and lived in ND your whole life and think some big cities are shit holes?
That's fine. lol. :p
Again, the point isn't to be literal. Or to take extreme examples to discount what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. If you want to play the same silly game of 'what about....' I don't care to stop you. I don't think once Jimmy I've ever seen you reply in an open minded way about anything political on this board that opposes your world view....and I'm talking even in the SLIGHTEST. Even with the small stuff. You only double down.
Such is the way of the world today for most. No doubt I can be stubborn but I know damn well that I've been open minded at times, also. Its liberating IMO when someone phrases something in a way that makes me think and realize that my take probably isn't correct. Its really tiring being 'right' all the time.
Not once? I'm gonna call bullshit.
I can assure you my views have softened over the last however long I've been having these conversations on this site.
The crack about the white vs black was mostly in jest, but at the same time it kind of shows your biased view of those of us from the Midwest that you assume because we choose to live here we have not experienced those places or have no culture. There are plenty of shitholes all over the country, big small rich poor its not a thing you can put on the individuals skin color or place of origin.
Take san Francisco, arts, culture, food, history, architecture, lots of things associated with popular cities, but literally has a major issue with people shitting on the city streets and sidewalks.... I'm gonna say shit hole.
By the way, one of my favorite places is Chicago, I love the food, and the Field Museum is my happy place.....but overall, despite all the wonderful things to do, the city is a shit hole in many areas and many ways... I still look forward to every visit.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Take san Francisco, arts, culture, food, history, architecture, lots of things associated with popular cities, but literally has a major issue with people shitting on the city streets and sidewalks.... I'm gonna say shit hole.
By the way, one of my favorite places is Chicago, I love the food, and the Field Museum is my happy place.....but overall, despite all the wonderful things to do, the city is a shit hole in many areas and many ways... I still look forward to every visit.
San Fran is more of a shit hill then hole.
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@ StickyBun said:
That's fine. lol. :p
Again, the point isn't to be literal. Or to take extreme examples to discount what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. If you want to play the same silly game of 'what about....' I don't care to stop you. I don't think once Jimmy I've ever seen you reply in an open minded way about anything political on this board that opposes your world view....and I'm talking even in the SLIGHTEST. Even with the small stuff. You only double down.
Such is the way of the world today for most. No doubt I can be stubborn but I know damn well that I've been open minded at times, also. Its liberating IMO when someone phrases something in a way that makes me think and realize that my take probably isn't correct. Its really tiring being 'right' all the time.
Not once? I'm gonna call bullshit.
I can assure you my views have softened over the last however long I've been having these conversations on this site.
The crack about the white vs black was mostly in jest, but at the same time it kind of shows your biased view of those of us from the Midwest that you assume because we choose to live here we have not experienced those places or have no culture. There are plenty of shitholes all over the country, big small rich poor its not a thing you can put on the individuals skin color or place of origin.
Take san Francisco, arts, culture, food, history, architecture, lots of things associated with popular cities, but literally has a major issue with people shitting on the city streets and sidewalks.... I'm gonna say shit hole.
By the way, one of my favorite places is Chicago, I love the food, and the Field Museum is my happy place.....but overall, despite all the wonderful things to do, the city is a shit hole in many areas and many ways... I still look forward to every visit.
To bad SF didn't install some shit holes. It would be an improvement over shitting on the sidewalks.
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@ Zanary said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in chicago New York new Orleans and other shithole liberal cities
Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?
Both have untold generations of corruption all through their "leadership", and the citizens have traded their spines for horrid statism.
Good lord. Not everything in life is politics.
Good Lord, both cities are mired in the horrid generations of politics.
I take issue with something "1987" said, though: leftist cities, not liberal. Liberalism isn't crony statism, and wouldn't be part of ridiculous over-regulation.
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@ StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
So amend the constitution, problem solved.
Don't be so flip. Everyone knows its complicated with mental health. But do you need an AR-15 automatic assault weapon? The answer is hell no.
I don't have an AR15 but thats not the point. If you're going to ban the black scary AR15 do you continue to allow the features of an AR15? Namely semi-automatic firing? If you were to ban that we're talking about the vast majority of guns sold for the past several decades.
I have under 10 firearms and all but 1 are semi-automatic and the one that isn't semi-automatic was inherited. Every gun I've purchased from a little .22 to my larger riffle are semi-automatic. Do I need to turn them in?
I’m cool with that. Civies don’t need semi auto.
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
So amend the constitution, problem solved.
Constitution doesn't need amending. It needs understanding.
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Ahhh, don't like the rules just change them. The true ways of democracy.
Look you can wish in one hand and shit in the other. The way the 2nd amendment has been and will continue to be interpreted is a right to personal firearms. There is already is laws on the books limiting firearm possession. For instance you cannot own an automatic weapon without a ffl license or have it on file with the ATF. But as far as regulations with any chance of happening? You might get background checks or some sort of feature ban but the idea that guns are going away will not happen without a repeal of the 2nd amendment. So until you can reach the threshold required to amend the constitution its kind of a waste of time.
Change the rules? You do understand the nature of our constitution and our system of government and law yeah?
I would hope we have sustems to change the rules!!!!
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@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
So amend the constitution, problem solved.
Don't be so flip. Everyone knows its complicated with mental health. But do you need an AR-15 automatic assault weapon? The answer is hell no.
I don't have an AR15 but thats not the point. If you're going to ban the black scary AR15 do you continue to allow the features of an AR15? Namely semi-automatic firing? If you were to ban that we're talking about the vast majority of guns sold for the past several decades.
I have under 10 firearms and all but 1 are semi-automatic and the one that isn't semi-automatic was inherited. Every gun I've purchased from a little .22 to my larger riffle are semi-automatic. Do I need to turn them in?
I’m cool with that. Civies don’t need semi auto.
...except that you're utterly, madly, completely wrong on this.
It's our job to tell the 'representatives' what they can do with our dollars and our resources, not their job to tell us what we can and can't have. As it stands right now, semi auto is an over century-old technology that has been on sale to our citizens that long.
America voted with her dollars on that, they're out there, and it's not the gubmint's job to decide to change a century's worth of reality.
Also, and this is something that's brutally obvious up here in Seattle and all along the coast: it's trendy for the left to hate police, so the "leadership" is alienating them to the point that many are jumping ship...so, the left is arguing (poorly, wrongly, and treasonously) that the citizens must defend themselves from the "AR-15 maniacs behind every bush" with, I dunno, a flintlock pistol and some stern words while police response times are getting much worse in the name of spineless lefty optics.
Maybe at the heart of this is when another "civie" thinks he knows what the other 300+ million people need...or not. That's not something that comes with a "free" country.
The civies have never needed them more. It's never been about hunting Bambi.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
So amend the constitution, problem solved.
Don't be so flip. Everyone knows its complicated with mental health. But do you need an AR-15 automatic assault weapon? The answer is hell no.
I don't have an AR15 but thats not the point. If you're going to ban the black scary AR15 do you continue to allow the features of an AR15? Namely semi-automatic firing? If you were to ban that we're talking about the vast majority of guns sold for the past several decades.
I have under 10 firearms and all but 1 are semi-automatic and the one that isn't semi-automatic was inherited. Every gun I've purchased from a little .22 to my larger riffle are semi-automatic. Do I need to turn them in?
I’m cool with that. Civies don’t need semi auto.
With your logic. I think we should take away automatic transmission cars. That way people can't run into a crowd of people killing them.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ AGRforever said:
So amend the constitution, problem solved.
Don't be so flip. Everyone knows its complicated with mental health. But do you need an AR-15 automatic assault weapon? The answer is hell no.
I don't have an AR15 but thats not the point. If you're going to ban the black scary AR15 do you continue to allow the features of an AR15? Namely semi-automatic firing? If you were to ban that we're talking about the vast majority of guns sold for the past several decades.
I have under 10 firearms and all but 1 are semi-automatic and the one that isn't semi-automatic was inherited. Every gun I've purchased from a little .22 to my larger riffle are semi-automatic. Do I need to turn them in?
I’m cool with that. Civies don’t need semi auto.
Or free speech?
So every right enumerated in the Bill of Rights are individual rights bestowed upon us by our creator EXCEPT the 2nd Ammendment? Hmmmm.......
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