Another day another mass murder in Amerika...

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@JimmyinSD said:

@StickyBun said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Skodin said:

@Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in  chicago New York new Orleans and  other shithole liberal cities

Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?

Luv em both...Wouldnt want to live in any big, urban areas myself but what cool places to visit. Culturally off the charts and these cities are some of the reasons our country is still great. 

First time I visited New York I felt like someone plugged me in to an outlet. Felt alive, like this is where I'm meant to be. I've had that same experience in Chicago, San Francisco, Montreal, Boston, NOLA. Not so every big city tho. For example, LA doesn't do that, Dallas doesn't do that. I think it's because those cities don't have a center, a soul. They're dominated by their suburbs. 

But growing up in small town Montana, I've spent a lot of time in jobless, depressed, meth-riddled towns like Billings, MT, Rapid City, SD, Casper, WY, Goodland, KS...I wouldn't call them shitholes because I'm not a douche, but I could never go back to that. 

NY blew me away the first time I went...Our kid was accepted into Parsons Design School in Manhattan and we had to move em out there to a dorm.  Talk about learning experiences for parents and adults lol!! 

You felt like you were plugged in, I felt like I was born there...Cant wait to get back. Boston is so historic as is NOLA and I love Nashville, Austin and Seattle too.

The South and West Charm is different than Midwest and NE. Those differences make our country great. So sad when we see through a lens of red vs blue, Dem cities vs Repub's. 

Now our kid is in LA and while I love the ocean, the weather, legal weed, vegan galore and palm trees, it's as soulless as Bentonville, AR. imo. 

LOL. I'm happy I'm not the only one who sees LA that way. The great thing about big cities is that it's like visiting a foreign country without a passport. NOLA is like going to Paris. Montreal is like that too. NYC is like visiting Italy, Puerto Rico and a hundred different other countries, each a five minute subway ride away.

Next time I go I want to explore Harlem. Last time I was there, the person I was with was afraid to go there. And this was when Bill Clinton had an apartment there. Parts of Chicago are right out of Poland. Walk in Boston's north end and it's like you're walking in Naples. Can you tell I'm ready to start traveling again?

Agreed. One thing that blows visitors away from other countries when they come here is they can walk around NYC, stop in an area to eat and everyone is speaking Italian. Walk to another and its Chinese. They love it. Our diversity and immigrant history in the USA is OUR STRENGTH. We are all descendants of freaking immigrants unless you are American Indian, the only true native Americans. And our black population is here because of slavery. 

But when you are white and live in North Dakota your whole life and know nothing else,  big cities are 'scary' and 'shitholes'. Its stupid. 

What if you are a black and lived in ND your whole life and think some big cities are shit holes?

That's fine. lol. :p

Again, the point isn't to be literal. Or to take extreme examples to discount what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. If you want to play the same silly game of 'what about....' I don't care to stop you. I don't think once Jimmy I've ever seen you reply in an open minded way about anything political on this board that opposes your world view....and I'm talking even in the SLIGHTEST. Even with the small stuff. You only double down. 

Such is the way of the world today for most. No doubt I can be stubborn but I know damn well that I've been open minded at times, also. Its liberating IMO when someone phrases something in a way that makes me think and realize that my take probably isn't correct. Its really tiring being 'right' all the time. 

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@StickyBun said:


But when you are white and live in North Dakota your whole life and know nothing else,  big cities are 'scary' and 'shitholes'. Its stupid. 

WTF man??  Thats easily the most racist thing I've seen on this board in a long long long time. 

People can not like crowded spaces and not be a racist.  I've been to ATL, NYC, CHI, Paris, Berlin etc its all mehhh to me.  It has nothing to do with the culture or lack there of in those places.  I just really don't like being in a large crowded area and it has absolutely nothing to do with race.  My wife travels the world doing her thing.  If I chose to, I could go with her but to be frankly honest....I enjoy my little patch of heaven right where I'm at.  What you find interesting or "culture" isn't what I'm interested in.  How you could view my or Jimmy's, or anyone else's way of life as "racist" because they don't like big cities is ridiculously ugly.  Thank you for showing your true colors. 

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@Zanary said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Zanary said:
So, here's the "logic" I've been getting from the left for years, now:

"THERE'S A WHACKO GUN NUT WITH AN AR-15 BEHIND EVERY TREE! WE NEED TO TAKE YOUR, OOPS, THEIR GUNS!"

"YOU NEED TO LET THE GUBMINT HAVE ALL THE GUNS, AS WE TELL YOU WHAT TO DO!"

'OH, AND SORRY POLICE REACTION TIMES ARE GETTING SLOWER, IT'S FASHIONABLE TO HATE POLICE AND WE'RE DEFUNDING DEPARTMENTS!"

So, to wrap up:

If you actually embrace the right to own firearms, you must be seconds away from a mass killing...according to "representatives" who keep forgetting that WE tell THEM what to do...

...while they are playing optics games and making us wait longer for less police.

They want us to believe there's a whacko every three feet, don't want us able to defend ourselves with similar weaponry, and are actually working to extend waits for law enforcement.

Some of y'all vote for this s**t.  Really?

Z,

I'd probably fall into the whacko, nut job left...

I get the right to carry and own..I don't believe EVERYONE in the country is entitled to that though. Too many whacko's with access to guns and fire-arms. People who have no right to own one. 

I think our country can and has to do a better job of limiting access. 

If you voted for the people pushing the above agendas, then...well, you self-selected your category.

I'm watching the left destroying Seattle, with crime spiking, criminals barely getting prosecuted and even then quickly released.

The modern left is filth, and has lost all ties with actual, classical liberalism.

As far as limiting access...first of all, I'll never agree that some elected stooge gets to tell me, someone with no violence on my record, what type of firearm or magazine I can own.  It's not their job to tell me what to do, it's our job to limit THEM.

That seems to get forgotten.

Secondly, I agree to limiting access to proven violent criminals or those with thoroughly proven mental conditions.  HOWEVER, those conditions must be based on science and not politics...and you'll never get them all.  Ask Britain, who have stabbing/slashing rampages, car bombs, illegal gun use (because gun laws mostly penalize legit users, which is something only filth can support), and other acts of violence.

People insisting on blaming the inanimate object are truly, tragically delusional.

@ the bold, we are in complete agreement...The way things are now is not sustainable, at least for me. I dont want to become numb or used to tragedy. 

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@Zanary said:

@Skodin said:

@Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in  chicago New York new Orleans and  other shithole liberal cities

Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?

Both have untold generations of corruption all through their "leadership", and the citizens have traded their spines for horrid statism.

Good lord.  Not everything in life is politics.

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@Zanary said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Zanary said:
So, here's the "logic" I've been getting from the left for years, now:

"THERE'S A WHACKO GUN NUT WITH AN AR-15 BEHIND EVERY TREE! WE NEED TO TAKE YOUR, OOPS, THEIR GUNS!"

"YOU NEED TO LET THE GUBMINT HAVE ALL THE GUNS, AS WE TELL YOU WHAT TO DO!"

'OH, AND SORRY POLICE REACTION TIMES ARE GETTING SLOWER, IT'S FASHIONABLE TO HATE POLICE AND WE'RE DEFUNDING DEPARTMENTS!"

So, to wrap up:

If you actually embrace the right to own firearms, you must be seconds away from a mass killing...according to "representatives" who keep forgetting that WE tell THEM what to do...

...while they are playing optics games and making us wait longer for less police.

They want us to believe there's a whacko every three feet, don't want us able to defend ourselves with similar weaponry, and are actually working to extend waits for law enforcement.

Some of y'all vote for this s**t.  Really?

Z,

I'd probably fall into the whacko, nut job left...

I get the right to carry and own..I don't believe EVERYONE in the country is entitled to that though. Too many whacko's with access to guns and fire-arms. People who have no right to own one. 

I think our country can and has to do a better job of limiting access. 

If you voted for the people pushing the above agendas, then...well, you self-selected your category.

I'm watching the left destroying Seattle, with crime spiking, criminals barely getting prosecuted and even then quickly released.

The modern left is filth, and has lost all ties with actual, classical liberalism.

As far as limiting access...first of all, I'll never agree that some elected stooge gets to tell me, someone with no violence on my record, what type of firearm or magazine I can own.  It's not their job to tell me what to do, it's our job to limit THEM.

That seems to get forgotten.

Secondly, I agree to limiting access to proven violent criminals or those with thoroughly proven mental conditions.  HOWEVER, those conditions must be based on science and not politics...and you'll never get them all.  Ask Britain, who have stabbing/slashing rampages, car bombs, illegal gun use (because gun laws mostly penalize legit users, which is something only filth can support), and other acts of violence.

People insisting on blaming the inanimate object are truly, tragically delusional.

Felons are already restricted from owning guns.  not that they care about following laws... but legally they aren't supposed to.

As to mental health, it would be great except for the left's tendency to see anyone that doesn't agree with them as having mental issues.  This narrow spectrum they view the world from doesn't lead to reasonable restrictions in this area.  The right can have the same view of the left, thinking some have mental health issues, but the right isn't about taking away rights because a person views the world differently.  

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@JimmyinSD said:

@StickyBun said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Skodin said:

@Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in  chicago New York new Orleans and  other shithole liberal cities

Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?

Luv em both...Wouldnt want to live in any big, urban areas myself but what cool places to visit. Culturally off the charts and these cities are some of the reasons our country is still great. 

First time I visited New York I felt like someone plugged me in to an outlet. Felt alive, like this is where I'm meant to be. I've had that same experience in Chicago, San Francisco, Montreal, Boston, NOLA. Not so every big city tho. For example, LA doesn't do that, Dallas doesn't do that. I think it's because those cities don't have a center, a soul. They're dominated by their suburbs. 

But growing up in small town Montana, I've spent a lot of time in jobless, depressed, meth-riddled towns like Billings, MT, Rapid City, SD, Casper, WY, Goodland, KS...I wouldn't call them shitholes because I'm not a douche, but I could never go back to that. 

NY blew me away the first time I went...Our kid was accepted into Parsons Design School in Manhattan and we had to move em out there to a dorm.  Talk about learning experiences for parents and adults lol!! 

You felt like you were plugged in, I felt like I was born there...Cant wait to get back. Boston is so historic as is NOLA and I love Nashville, Austin and Seattle too.

The South and West Charm is different than Midwest and NE. Those differences make our country great. So sad when we see through a lens of red vs blue, Dem cities vs Repub's. 

Now our kid is in LA and while I love the ocean, the weather, legal weed, vegan galore and palm trees, it's as soulless as Bentonville, AR. imo. 

LOL. I'm happy I'm not the only one who sees LA that way. The great thing about big cities is that it's like visiting a foreign country without a passport. NOLA is like going to Paris. Montreal is like that too. NYC is like visiting Italy, Puerto Rico and a hundred different other countries, each a five minute subway ride away.

Next time I go I want to explore Harlem. Last time I was there, the person I was with was afraid to go there. And this was when Bill Clinton had an apartment there. Parts of Chicago are right out of Poland. Walk in Boston's north end and it's like you're walking in Naples. Can you tell I'm ready to start traveling again?

Agreed. One thing that blows visitors away from other countries when they come here is they can walk around NYC, stop in an area to eat and everyone is speaking Italian. Walk to another and its Chinese. They love it. Our diversity and immigrant history in the USA is OUR STRENGTH. We are all descendants of freaking immigrants unless you are American Indian, the only true native Americans. And our black population is here because of slavery. 

But when you are white and live in North Dakota your whole life and know nothing else,  big cities are 'scary' and 'shitholes'. Its stupid. 

What if you are a black and lived in ND your whole life and think some big cities are shit holes?

well I live in montana   but I have lived in lasvegas,lasvegas ,Tempe  L.A.,Denver, San Diego so why the hell would I ever move back to any of them filled with more people being shot every day than one random  mass shooting  .were people like in San Francisco  and Seattle are opening long shooting drugs and shitting on the side walks. were is the outrage about Chicago's 25  shootings in one weekend where the have tight gun control? or people burning and tearing apart there own neighborhoods cause they dont get there spoiled way . urban cities that are over ran with homeless   you big city lovers can keep that  

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people are  fleeing the urban areas for a reason  people that live in more rural states  wanna put a big sign up saying dont move here  were full

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@Viking1987 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

What if you are a black and lived in ND your whole life and think some big cities are shit holes?

well I live in montana   but I have lived in lasvegas,lasvegas ,Tempe  L.A.,Denver, San Diego so why the hell would I ever move back to any of them filled with more people being shot every day than one random  mass shooting  .were people like in San Francisco  and Seattle are opening long shooting drugs and shitting on the side walks. were is the outrage about Chicago's 25  shootings in one weekend where the have tight gun control? or people burning and tearing apart there own neighborhoods cause they dont get there spoiled way . urban cities that are over ran with homeless   you big city lovers can keep that  

Those mass shootings don't further the gun control narrative, so the media ignores them.

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if you dont want guns dont own them but good luck defending yourself from the criminals with your dildo and spatula

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@Viking1987 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@StickyBun said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Skodin said:

@Viking1987 said:
gun laws have worked so well in  chicago New York new Orleans and  other shithole liberal cities

Why are Chicago and New York shit hole cities?

Luv em both...Wouldnt want to live in any big, urban areas myself but what cool places to visit. Culturally off the charts and these cities are some of the reasons our country is still great. 

First time I visited New York I felt like someone plugged me in to an outlet. Felt alive, like this is where I'm meant to be. I've had that same experience in Chicago, San Francisco, Montreal, Boston, NOLA. Not so every big city tho. For example, LA doesn't do that, Dallas doesn't do that. I think it's because those cities don't have a center, a soul. They're dominated by their suburbs. 

But growing up in small town Montana, I've spent a lot of time in jobless, depressed, meth-riddled towns like Billings, MT, Rapid City, SD, Casper, WY, Goodland, KS...I wouldn't call them shitholes because I'm not a douche, but I could never go back to that. 

NY blew me away the first time I went...Our kid was accepted into Parsons Design School in Manhattan and we had to move em out there to a dorm.  Talk about learning experiences for parents and adults lol!! 

You felt like you were plugged in, I felt like I was born there...Cant wait to get back. Boston is so historic as is NOLA and I love Nashville, Austin and Seattle too.

The South and West Charm is different than Midwest and NE. Those differences make our country great. So sad when we see through a lens of red vs blue, Dem cities vs Repub's. 

Now our kid is in LA and while I love the ocean, the weather, legal weed, vegan galore and palm trees, it's as soulless as Bentonville, AR. imo. 

LOL. I'm happy I'm not the only one who sees LA that way. The great thing about big cities is that it's like visiting a foreign country without a passport. NOLA is like going to Paris. Montreal is like that too. NYC is like visiting Italy, Puerto Rico and a hundred different other countries, each a five minute subway ride away.

Next time I go I want to explore Harlem. Last time I was there, the person I was with was afraid to go there. And this was when Bill Clinton had an apartment there. Parts of Chicago are right out of Poland. Walk in Boston's north end and it's like you're walking in Naples. Can you tell I'm ready to start traveling again?

Agreed. One thing that blows visitors away from other countries when they come here is they can walk around NYC, stop in an area to eat and everyone is speaking Italian. Walk to another and its Chinese. They love it. Our diversity and immigrant history in the USA is OUR STRENGTH. We are all descendants of freaking immigrants unless you are American Indian, the only true native Americans. And our black population is here because of slavery. 

But when you are white and live in North Dakota your whole life and know nothing else,  big cities are 'scary' and 'shitholes'. Its stupid. 

What if you are a black and lived in ND your whole life and think some big cities are shit holes?

well I live in montana   but I have lived in lasvegas,lasvegas ,Tempe  L.A.,Denver, San Diego so why the hell would I ever move back to any of them filled with more people being shot every day than one random  mass shooting  .were people like in San Francisco  and Seattle are opening long shooting drugs and shitting on the side walks. were is the outrage about Chicago's 25  shootings in one weekend where the have tight gun control? or people burning and tearing apart there own neighborhoods cause they dont get there spoiled way . urban cities that are over ran with homeless   you big city lovers can keep that  

Obviously none of that could possibly be true.  You must be a racist.  Either that or a "shot-a-phobe"???