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During an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press," Fauci said he hoped that Trump would speak out and encourage his supporters to get the COVID-19 vaccine after all former living presidents, except for Trump, appeared last week in a PSA from the nonprofit Ad Council urging Americans to get the vaccination.
"I hope he does because the numbers that you gave are so disturbing, how such a large proportion of a certain group of people would not want to make — would not want to get vaccinated merely because of political consideration," Fauci told "Meet the Press" moderator Chuck Todd. "It makes absolutely no sense."
Among Trump voters, 47% of respondents said they didn't plan to get the shot, while just 10% of people who supported Biden in the 2020 election said they wouldn't get vaccinated for COVID-19, according to the poll.
My county voted 70% Trump, 26% Biden. Vaccination slots fill as quickly as they become available (still vaccinating those over 65 which tend to be conservative voters). The cited poll doesn't seem to match my county but still early. I will have my second vaccination in 9 days.
This brainwashing of the Trump cult is beyond nuts. We live in a different era of disinformation.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
This brainwashing of the Trump cult is beyond nuts. We live in a different era of disinformation.
Last night my kids wanted to know who Jim Jones was and where the expression "drinking the kool aid" came from. So I showed them one of the better docudramas on Jonestown. Watching it I was just amazed at how similar he was to Donald Trump: the narcissism, the paranoia, pretending to be a man of God, the seething hatred of journalists, habitual lying while convincing his followers that HE was telling them the truth and everyone else was lying. They called it a mass suicide, but it was really mass murder.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
This brainwashing of the Trump cult is beyond nuts. We live in a different era of disinformation.
Last night my kids wanted to know who Jim Jones was and where the expression "drinking the kool aid" came from. So I showed them one of the better docudramas on Jonestown. Watching it I was just amazed at how similar he was to Donald Trump: the narcissism, the paranoia, pretending to be a man of God, the seething hatred of journalists, habitual lying while convincing his followers that HE was telling them the truth and everyone else was lying. They called it a mass suicide, but it was really mass murder.
Did the docudrama inform your daughters that Jones was a big liberal NoCal Dem influencer? Informing them of the lunacy of the SJW mindset?
"Having moved his flock to northern California in the 1960s, Jones began leveraging their labor toward political ends, volunteering them for protests or electioneering on behalf of friendly aspirants to public office. Gaining the respect of San Francisco’s political class, Jones became a player in his own right. Many gave him credit for Moscone’s tight victory in the 1975 mayoral runoff, and he was appointed head of the San Francisco Housing Authority. Praised as a hero of social justice and a crusader for racial equality, Jones became an important figure in Democratic politics.
Among his advocates was Harvey Milk, also a newcomer to San Francisco. Milk, formerly a Goldwater Republican, became politically radical in California and repeatedly sought election to office as an outsider to the political machine. Milk attended services at Peoples Temple dozens of times, and wrote effusive letters to Jones. “Such greatness I have found in Jim Jones’s Peoples Temple,” Milk proclaimed.
Milk wasn’t Jones’s only fan. Many powerful people—Governor Jerry Brown, columnist Herb Caen, and Vice President Walter Mondale, to name a few—sought Jones’s blessings and expressed admiration for his dedication to racial equality and a better world.
At the same time, Jim Jones’s connection to mainstream Democratic politics has been suppressed. He and the Peoples Temple, which exalted racial diversity and social justice, have been cast as harrowing examples of Christian religious extremism, though Jones preached atheism and ordered his followers to use the Bible as toilet paper. A roster of leaders who remain dominant figures in California politics today embraced Jones publically. Jerry Brown, then and now governor of the state, approvingly visited the Peoples Temple, and Senator Dianne Feinstein, who ascended to the mayoralty upon Moscone’s assassination, joined the Board of Supervisors in honoring Jones. Willie Brown, longtime speaker of the California state assembly, a mayor of San Francisco, and the mentor of Senator Kamala Harris, was especially lavish in his praise of Jones, calling him “a combination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Albert Einstein, and Chairman Mao.” "
https://www.city-journal.org/jim-jones-san-francisco
Forty years after the Jonestown massacre, a new book chronicles the deep ties between the depraved cult leader and prominent Democratic politicians.
just curious, who/how was this poll conducted? was it an MSNBC poll? it can be pretty misleading without seeing the actual results of the poll based on where/how it was conducted (did they even get an adequate number of Trump voters to establish any real accounting for that demographic? I seriously have my doubts this is a legit poll and the results would likely be more useful if they were printed on toilet paper. some of the leading states for getting needles into arms are strong conservative states that went overwhelmingly for Trump. Doesnt seem to fit the narrative of the quoted poll.
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
This brainwashing of the Trump cult is beyond nuts. We live in a different era of disinformation.
Last night my kids wanted to know who Jim Jones was and where the expression "drinking the kool aid" came from. So I showed them one of the better docudramas on Jonestown. Watching it I was just amazed at how similar he was to Donald Trump: the narcissism, the paranoia, pretending to be a man of God, the seething hatred of journalists, habitual lying while convincing his followers that HE was telling them the truth and everyone else was lying. They called it a mass suicide, but it was really mass murder.
Did the docudrama inform your daughters that Jones was a big liberal NoCal Dem influencer? Informing them of the lunacy of the SJW mindset?
"Having moved his flock to northern California in the 1960s, Jones began leveraging their labor toward political ends, volunteering them for protests or electioneering on behalf of friendly aspirants to public office. Gaining the respect of San Francisco’s political class, Jones became a player in his own right. Many gave him credit for Moscone’s tight victory in the 1975 mayoral runoff, and he was appointed head of the San Francisco Housing Authority. Praised as a hero of social justice and a crusader for racial equality, Jones became an important figure in Democratic politics.
No doubt Jones was a socialist, but that's not what made him dangerous. What made him dangerous was that he was a drug-addicted, paranoid, malignant narcissist who convinced thousands that they were being lied to and that only HE was telling them the truth.
Like I've been saying for years, the fact that Trump was a conservative republican is irrelevant. Who really gives a shit what his view is on tax policy or the role of government? That's not what made him dangerous. What made him dangerous was the above characteristics he shared with Jones. And that kind of madness can be found on all sides of the political spectrum.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
just curious, who/how was this poll conducted? was it an MSNBC poll? it can be pretty misleading without seeing the actual results of the poll based on where/how it was conducted (did they even get an adequate number of Trump voters to establish any real accounting for that demographic? I seriously have my doubts this is a legit poll and the results would likely be more useful if they were printed on toilet paper. some of the leading states for getting needles into arms are strong conservative states that went overwhelmingly for Trump. Doesnt seem to fit the narrative of the quoted poll.
I saw it reported on NBC nightly news. NewsHour/Marist, here a link, pretty easy to find. Just query "poll on trump voters and vaccine". Pulls up stories with links to poll, simple google query and answers all your questions( page 23, 25/32 ).
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/...pdf#page=3
Here is a story from this mornings WaPo, man I love being retired. Conducted via zoom by Frank Luntz.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...ocus-group
I can wrap my head around people not wanting to get vaccinated for various reasons. But how that independenly falls out so strongly across team red vs blue is kinda crazy.
The differences in team red vs blue used to be role of govt, spending and topics of that ilk. Now these differences are in human values and culture -- more than ever.
I'm naively holding out hope the harmful rhetoric and rift in the country heal. But I dont see it anytime soon. Too many people just look for the conflict vs common good anymore.
Lots of "seething mad" on both sides of the aisle and streets.
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