Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
Hard pass on Clowney. Lazy, unproductive, and a really bad mentality
Only played in 8 games last season before being placed on IR with a meniscus tear in his knee that required surgery. HIs lack of productivity can at least partially be attributed to injuries and I would attribute some of that to just being in bad scheme fit in Houston as a 3-4 LB. He would however be a great fit in our scheme.
Sure, but he's a big name (In his eyes) and has never recorded double digit sacks in a season. The year before last he only had 3 sacks so it doesn't make sense to overpay someone with his mentality and work ethic.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
Hard pass on Clowney. Lazy, unproductive, and a really bad mentality
Only played in 8 games last season before being placed on IR with a meniscus tear in his knee that required surgery. HIs lack of productivity can at least partially be attributed to injuries and I would attribute some of that to just being in bad scheme fit in Houston as a 3-4 LB. He would however be a great fit in our scheme.
Sure, but he's a big name (In his eyes) and has never recorded double digit sacks in a season. The year before last he only had 3 sacks so it doesn't make sense to overpay someone with his mentality and work ethic.
I agree but if you don't overpay and can get him on a bargain "prove it" type contract....his age and physical ability make him an intriguing player. As you mentioned 3 sacks in the last two seasons, injured, and with the reduced salary cap the timing might be right to get something like that done. He certainly has all the physical tools to put together a double digit sack season, especially opposite a healthy Danielle Hunter.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
No. Hardest of hard passes.
Not even on a Sheldon Richardson "prove it" type contract? I'd love to see what Zim and Patterson could get out of him.
Did Zim and Patterson get a lot ($10M) out of Richardson?
He was a productive player for us and has been the best 3 technique Zimmer has had.
I think the bar is set low for "best 3T Zimmer has had" - and I assume you mean, "with the Vikings". Actually, I'm not certain Richardson was more effective than Tom Johnson..
As for Richardson, I was disappointed, but I'm sure opinions vary. There were some reports he was freelancing in hopes of building his stats (for the next contract, of course), and I don't think the Vikings made any attempt to retain him. He was supposed to be a "missing piece" and our defense dropped from #1 in 2017 to #9 in 2018.0
IMO players don't mesh with our defense well during their first year. I'm also not convinced Zimmer and Patterson are such "molders of talent", but...that's an unpopular opinion here.
Boy, the Vikes were really snakebite with Floyd and Teddy...
I really thought Shariff was going to be the next Hardware Hank.
I never would have put $$ down on the Vikings (of all teams) having difficulty reloading @ 3t.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
No. Hardest of hard passes.
Not even on a Sheldon Richardson "prove it" type contract? I'd love to see what Zim and Patterson could get out of him.
Did Zim and Patterson get a lot ($10M) out of Richardson?
He was a productive player for us and has been the best 3 technique Zimmer has had.
I think the bar is set low for "best 3T Zimmer has had" - and I assume you mean, "with the Vikings". Actually, I'm not certain Richardson was more effective than Tom Johnson..
As for Richardson, I was disappointed, but I'm sure opinions vary. There were some reports he was freelancing in hopes of building his stats (for the next contract, of course), and I don't think the Vikings made any attempt to retain him. He was supposed to be a "missing piece" and our defense dropped from #1 in 2017 to #9 in 2018.0
IMO players don't mesh with our defense well during their first year. I'm also not convinced Zimmer and Patterson are such "molders of talent", but...that's an unpopular opinion here.
Our salary cap situation made it difficult to retain him and Cleveland came in with a large offer. I think most of us knew he was going to be gone. I know it wasn't because Zimmer had no interest in bringing him back.
But yes, Tom Johnson did string together some quality seasons here in a mostly backup role
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Boy, the Vikes were really snakebite with Floyd and Teddy...
I really thought Shariff was going to be the next Hardware Hank.
I never would have put $$ down on the Vikings (of all teams) having difficulty reloading @ 3t.
Yeah, that situation really sucked.
Didn't have great hopes for Richardson. We were his 3rd team? And Seattle had a great need on their DL yet they didn't try to hard to keep him. I think he is a great comparison for Clowney, shows bursts of great talent, but not dedicated enough to put it on the field every play.
I had as many sacks last year, but I'm more of a run stuffer.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Boy, the Vikes were really snakebite with Floyd and Teddy...
I really thought Shariff was going to be the next Hardware Hank.
I never would have put $$ down on the Vikings (of all teams) having difficulty reloading @ 3t.
I wonder . . if Floyd is gone by our pick, do we take Ogletree at LB and then the following year take Donald at DT vs Barr
I'm just saying a d-line of Clowney, Pierce, Barmore, and Hunter would be a major problem for opposing teams and put us up there with the likes of Chicago, San Francisco, and Washington as one of the best defensive fronts in the league
Clowney’s mo is to find health 2 days before the season opener, sign on his “enormous potential”, then play awhile only to get “injured” again... he’s a perennial tease—Bud Grant would not approve...! 
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