Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
Why exactly would you care? You're in favor of murdering them. Whats a little one on one time with a teenager gonna hurt?.....
When have I ever said that? I am a libertarian on the issue.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
Why exactly would you care? You're in favor of murdering them. Whats a little one on one time with a teenager gonna hurt?.....
When have I ever said that? I am a libertarian on the issue.
So you don't care if someone else murders them, but have an issue with what AGR's opinion on the issue is?
Sounds not quite libertarian.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
No, literally protecting life of innocent persons is one of the functions of government.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
Why exactly would you care? You're in favor of murdering them. Whats a little one on one time with a teenager gonna hurt?.....
When have I ever said that? I am a libertarian on the issue.
So you don't care if someone else murders them, but have an issue with what AGR's opinion on the issue is?
Sounds not quite libertarian.
It's who make the choice, not the government. Very libertarian.
So when is government responsible and not. Once a child is born their life doesn't matter to you, correct. Just an object to teach personal responsibility to whom ever want's to raise it.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
No, literally protecting life of innocent persons is one of the functions of government.
But no health care or financial support, if you can breath your on your own. Till then you are in the governments womb.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
No, literally protecting life of innocent persons is one of the functions of government.
This right here is why there isn't a consensus among people who identify as libertarian. You're either killing a lump of cells or a person depending on your opinion of the situation.
If its a lump of cells, have at it. Women's right to her body and on and on.
If its a person then its murder and is exactly what the government should be involved in protecting.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
No, literally protecting life of innocent persons is one of the functions of government.
This right here is why there isn't a consensus among people who identify as libertarian. You're either killing a lump of cells or a person depending on your opinion of the situation.
If its a lump of cells, have at it. Women's right to her body and on and on.
If its a person then its murder and is exactly what the government should be involved in protecting.
SCIENCE!
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
What about them? They have an opportunity to live, much better than being torn to shreds. Having a mom and dad take care of them is the ideal solution. If you want to have a real talk about what is best for the kids, then I will refer you to my previous post "but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage."
Stable families are best for the children. Ending human trafficking is best for the children. Wanna know what administration had good success focusing on that issue? Despite the media ignoring it?
But bottom line, you can't say that killing a child is a better option than being born into poverty or a single parent family. The logical conclusions to that argument are rather frightening.
Making that choice for someone is government over reach.
No, literally protecting life of innocent persons is one of the functions of government.
But no health care or financial support, if you can breath your on your own. Till then you are in the governments womb.
Your words. Not mine.
But either way, it is better than dead. That isn't health care, except to Planned Parenthood.
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