@ Zanary Yeah, that makes sense to me, and we have common ground. Particularly not replacing programs until a proven private sector solution can be found, society needs more than bottom line solutions. But I also believe not everything is profitable and therefore will not have a market remedy. Like taking care of ill people, you need nonprofitable shared risk groups, without resources being payed to investors as dividends. I believe there are more benefits to mankind than wealth.
It's like you say with identity, hence my original request for clarification. With the polarized political atmosphere and the firehose of information any positive message is lost, we fight over labels rather than ideas. I started out thinking libertarian was my direction, but then it became more about personalities. The Paul boy's message, I like for the first sentence or two, but then they just keep going and I always get to the WTF point.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
@ AGRforever Well, I identify as a liberal/progressive in that I believe that government has a role in a good fair social structure. I believe that a free market economy is the best way to achieve wealth and individual security. I define free market as all are free to participate on equal standing and that requires complicated regulation. Being a second generation immigrant, I am thankful for what was accorded all four of my grandparents, and want that for others to receive the same. I am a pretty simple dude, no pedestal of liberal perfectness (?). You have labeled for months now I thought you knew.
Quote: @BigAl99 said: Jim
@AGRforever Well, I identify as a liberal/progressive in that I believe that government has a role in a good fair social structure. I believe that a free market economy is the best way to achieve wealth and individual security. I define free market as all are free to participate on equal standing and that requires complicated regulation. Being a second generation immigrant, I am thankful for what was accorded all four of my grandparents, and want that for others to receive the same. I am a pretty simple dude, no pedestal of liberal perfectness (?). You have labeled for months now I thought you knew.
I have no desire to comment on your beliefs. Youre welcome to have them and share them as you so choose.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
How bout they teach my “independant minded” 6th grader how to make a powerpoint. Thatll learn them.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ greediron said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever So believe in small government, no federal debt or small military with no global standing.
I would say you are more anti-abortion than prolife, you care nothing about life, your the one that said "if you breed 'em you feed 'em", so you want a government that say's a woman must give birth and have no more skin in the game, okay.
Not sure what you mean "pro bill of rights and everything that goes with them" that's kind of feel good position. Do you want the Government to ensure just the first ten or all 27, should enforcement be more than a gruff harumph?
I get it we all want to think of ourselves as having complex ideologies. But to simplify things, you want a "night-watchman" type government, just kind of hang out till something happens and then facilitate the issue going away. Not really sure how that works in a large democracy, especially with an economy that has to function in a dynamic global market, and we are not a monocultural group of conformists.
Feel free to put your political ideology on here so we can do some commentary on what we disagree with. I mean really???? Why ask for a political opinion with the premise that you want to: "In my efforts to understand others than myself" when in reality all you wanted to do put me down while putting yourself on the same damn pedestal of liberal perfectness you think you've achieved. You asked, I gave you an honest answer. Telling me how wrong I am to hold such an opinion isn't understanding, its being a douche bag.
As for children. What is so hard about wrap your F*CKING pecker and take some damn birth control if you want to have sex? If you breed em you feed em seems perfectly reasonable to me. With that said, we should as a community actually be teaching sex ed instead of whatever bullshit passes for it today so that people who are young can learn and make informed decisions. Since I'm anti-abortion, I guess instead of you being "pro-choice" you're more of a pro-baby genocide guy huh?
There is no gotcha's in 11-27. The constitution was meant to be modified. Its been modified via amendment 27 times. Don't like a part of it? Modify it again. That's why the process exists.
I guess my life isn't complex at all. I'm just some unenlightened simpleton who can't understand all these fancy words like democracy, economies and dynamic global markets. Thanks for pointing out how wrong I am. Your single response has made me rethink my whole life's perspective. I'm now a progressive democratic socialist. I can feel the BERN can you???!!! I do plan on eating at the governments tit starting tonight though. Whats for dinner????? :/
It is why civil discussion doesn't exist. Someone gives an honest answer and the response is to tear it up for internet tough guy points.
I am quite libertarian according to your list as well. I don't think the govt has much reason to be in the bedroom, but I do think that it has reason to promote stable families that raise stable children. How that happens is better left to the individuals IMO, but at least the govt shouldn't penalize marriage.
As to the stupid comment about being anti-abortion, I like your response. Anyone claiming to be for the poor and vulnerable and yet for killing the most vulnerable is just a hypocrite. I personally disagree with some of what you said and don't want the government teaching sex ed as those in govt have shown tremendously poor choices in their personal lives.
Anyway, anyone telling someone else they care nothing about life is about the epitome of gaslighting/red herring/and every other false logic argument there is.
Yeah, I dont have all the answers to much of anything. I have read that for every $1 spent on education/prevention several more are saved from unwanted pregnacies and the abortion rate declines significantly. So thats what I base my opinion on.
Frankly they need to make some of these kids take care of some babies. Thatll solve it extremely quickly. Theyll figure out real fast that its not all fun and games.
And why this is in the best interest for the kid's? My observations are that it isn't and it does the opposite of solving it.
Sure beats the alternative.
As AGR sez, it forces people to grow up. That isn't a bad thing. Hell 30 year olds that have lived a self-indulgent existence up until then are no better prepared to care for a kid either. Children are a learning experience no matter when you have them.
What about the infants?
Why exactly would you care? You're in favor of murdering them. Whats a little one on one time with a teenager gonna hurt?.....
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