Quote: @Wetlander said:
I think you would have to put Fran first... the guy took us to what... 3 Super Bowls?
After that, I'd probably put Favre... Culpepper... Warren Moon... in some order of top 4.
Didn't have the pleasure of watching Fran, but he has to be defacto #1.
Farve and part of one good year. Hard to say he ranks better than Moon (my #2) and Culpepper (physical freak, but a bit too much like Cam. Relied on that trait too heavily.) Cousins would be #4 based on his talent and the dearth of other talented QBs in our history. Brad Johnson would be by #5. I am a bit biased, but he was my personal favorite.
Cunningham was propped up by Billick reading the D for him and was exposed as the time went on. Kramer belongs somewhere near the top 5, but Wilson/Salisbury... were a blight on our history. Showing a bit and never holding down the job.
Haven't seen much love for two-minute Tommy.....
Quote: @Rigby said:
Haven't seen much love for two-minute Tommy.....
I'm embarrassed they I didn't include him. He had the original Minneapolis Miracle.
Tarkenton (by a mile)...Culpepper, Kramer.
Favre? Come on, at least a bit of longevity has to be factored into "greatest in history", doesn't it?? 1 great season, 1 playoff victory - it's not all that far above Case Keenum, if you think about it. Favre threw for only about a hundred yards more than Ponder in a Vikings uniform. Put a 50-game minimum on this and it's easier, though it's striking how few QBs can even meet that requirement.
1 - Tarkenton
2 - Culpepper
3 - Kramer
4 - Cousins
5 - Moon
6 - Favre
7 - Kapp
8 - Johnson
9 - Cunningham
10 - Bradford
11 - Bridgewater
12 - Wilson
May have missed someone, I'm getting old.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
Tarkenton (by a mile)...Culpepper, Kramer.
Favre? Come on, at least a bit of longevity has to be factored into "greatest in history", doesn't it?? 1 great season, 1 playoff victory - it's not all that far above Case Keenum, if you think about it. Favre threw for only about a hundred yards more than Ponder in a Vikings uniform. Put a 50-game minimum on this and it's easier, though it's striking how few QBs can even meet that requirement.
I based it on orginazational impact and being a difference maker at the position. How many times have we had a top 5 QB under center for this franchise? The answer is never except for Favre, who could have easily been the league MVP. Yes small sample size, but in context....I believe he was the best. Again, I give a nod to Fran but I never saw him play. Regardless he is not thought as being close to the same calibur player Favre was
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Jor-El said:
Tarkenton (by a mile)...Culpepper, Kramer.
Favre? Come on, at least a bit of longevity has to be factored into "greatest in history", doesn't it?? 1 great season, 1 playoff victory - it's not all that far above Case Keenum, if you think about it. Favre threw for only about a hundred yards more than Ponder in a Vikings uniform. Put a 50-game minimum on this and it's easier, though it's striking how few QBs can even meet that requirement.
I based it on orginazational impact and being a difference maker at the position. How many times have we had a top 5 QB under center for this franchise? The answer is never except for Favre...
You forgot one. There wasn't a better QB in 2004 than Daunte Culpepper. In fact, in terms of numbers, that was the single greatest year ever for a Vikings QB. Nearly 5,000 yards (NFL passing leader), 39 TDs, 11 INTs, 111 QB rating. All Pro. Favre's year was close, but not quite to that level.
Wait a minute...I think Tarkenton had a few years as a top 5 QB. Actually, now that I look at it, he was a 9-time pro bowler and the NFL MVP in 1975. Pretty sure that counts as top 5.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Jor-El said:
Tarkenton (by a mile)...Culpepper, Kramer.
Favre? Come on, at least a bit of longevity has to be factored into "greatest in history", doesn't it?? 1 great season, 1 playoff victory - it's not all that far above Case Keenum, if you think about it. Favre threw for only about a hundred yards more than Ponder in a Vikings uniform. Put a 50-game minimum on this and it's easier, though it's striking how few QBs can even meet that requirement.
I based it on orginazational impact and being a difference maker at the position. How many times have we had a top 5 QB under center for this franchise? The answer is never except for Favre...
You forgot one. There wasn't a better QB in 2004 than Daunte Culpepper. In fact, in terms of numbers, that was the single greatest year ever for a Vikings QB. Nearly 5,000 yards (NFL passing leader), 39 TDs, 11 INTs, 111 QB rating. All Pro. Favre's year was close, but not quite to that level.
Wait a minute...I think Tarkenton had a few years as a top 5 QB. Actually, now that I look at it, he was a 9-time pro bowler and the NFL MVP in 1975. Pretty sure that counts as top 5.
We have had QB's string together a few good individual seasons (Cunningham, Johnson, George, etc). You make a good argument for Daunte, and I loved Daunte, but if I had the choice of having Favre lead this team for a season or Culpepper...I'm choosing Favre every time.
On Fran I'm kind of out of the argument because I've never seen him play. But yes based on what you say he might have been a top 5 guy at some point back in the day.
1 - Tarkenton
2 - Favre
3 - Moon4 - Culpepper5 - Kramer
6 - Wilson
7 - Kapp
8 - Johnson
9 - Cunningham
10 - Bradford
11 - Bridgewater
12 - Cousins
Those who were too young to watch Fran Tarkenton play are underestimating how good he was. He was better than all the rest by far, including Favre who had one good year but cost the team a trip to the superbowl by throwing across his body, trying to force a ball into Sidney Rice, and one bad season with the Vikings.
In that era, the Vikings were an expansion team that had the lowest paid players in the league. Yet Bud Grant could get the best out of them.
They lost the 3 superbowls Fran played in, but probably should have won against the Steelers.
They also had a great team in 1975 that was derailed by the Drew Pearson push off in the playoffs. The hail Mary pass with very little time left. There was a play earlier in the drive where Pearson caught a pass out of bounds, but the refs gave him the catch, or the hail Mary wouldn't have happened. Two bad no calls at the end of the game. Incidently, for those who don't know, Frans dad died of a heart attack while watching that game.
Fran wasn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He was a scrambler who would throw them short and throw them long.
Fran pretty much held all NFL QB records at the time of his retirement, and was quite deserving of his enshrinement into the NFL hall of fame.
We can debate where all the other Vikings QB's rank. Fran the man was number one!
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